Myers Briggs and the PUAsphere

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I enjoyed Chic Noir’s the chateau gang when we were kids post. So Inspired by that I present: The Chateau Gang When We Were Myers-Briggs.

Myers-Briggs typing seems popular on the Internet and was a topic of conversation at Roissy’s. I am going to assume you have some familiarity with the concept but have provided some introductory links below

Not Your Type?

An Introduction to Myers-Briggs
Another Introduction to Myers-Briggs

A quick self-test (scroll down).
A longer self-test.

Type descriptions.
Another set of type descriptions.

An overview of the four main temperament types.

Below is my attempt to classify the posters by their Myers-Briggs type. This is mostly for fun, although these are my real best guesses (and lets be clear, they are guesses). I based them on the persona projected by their writing. As such, it could be different from their real type. Even without an attempt to fake, a person’s writing may appear different from their real-world self.

If your name is here and you would rather I remove it let me know. If your name is not here, it is only because I had no guess for you. If your name is here and my guess is wrong let me know. If you want to add yourself or someone else, just let me know. I may add people to the list if inspiration or enlightenment hits me.

As an iNtuitive type I cannot always describe exactly how I came to a particular conclusion, sometimes is just seems right (Sensing types – or INTJs – would call that “pulling it out of your ass”). Yeah whatever!

Regardless of your type, here is the list. The list is in no particular order.

I do describe my own type at the end of the list. If you want to you can try guessing before you get there.

Feb 17, 2010: I added links to listed blogs. I added a Typealyzer reading for listed blogs. I now show my guess, Typealyzer’s guess, and the the blogger’s actual type. I only list the Actual = where the blogger has confirmed it here or clearly documented it elsewhere (my memories of declaration do not count).
As always, please let me know of any corrections, confirmations, or additions.
Additions, deletions and corrections
Added some more bloggers on Feb 11, 2010
Added bloggers on Feb 12 to Feb 15, 2010
Added bloggers on Feb 22 to Feb 25, 2010.
Added An Player on August 30, 2010
. Also noted the deletion of the linked blogs for VirginAt50 and Rebekah.

The List

Roissy: Guess = ISFP, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
May seem strange but I do detect a level of introspection and an artistic outlook. He is definitely a Sensing-Perceiver. Introversion and extraversion is harder to guess from blog entries (a more introverted activity) and in any case is not about sociability. ‘Neath his bluff ‘n’ bluster I see a more sensitive type.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Roosh: Guess = ESTP, Typealyzer = ESFP, Actual = ????
Along with Roissy he is most likely a Sensing-Perceiver. Possibly ISTP (he claimed to work very hard on his game and social skills).
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

LovelySexyBeauty: Guess = ESFJ, Typealyzer = ESFP, Actual = ????
Possibly an ESFP (party girl) but I am going with ESFJ. Such typing would make her a Traditionalist
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

The G-Man: Guess = ESTP, Typealyzer = ESTP, Actual = ????
I mean who could type such a fellow. The G-man is not bound by “type.” For the purposes of this exercise, I will say that the poster known as The G Manifesto is probably ESTP. Or maybe ETAB?
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Doug1: Guess = ENTJ, Typealyzer = no blog, Actual = see below
I believe doug1 declared himself such but in any case, it does not sound wrong. Had he not declared I might have put him as an INTJ along with just about everyone else. That would make him a Conceptualist.

gunslingergregi: Guess = ESFP, Typealyzer = ESFP, Actual = ????
If gunny is not an extravert then I am Tucker Max *.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

alias clio: Guess = INFJ, Typealyzer INTP, Actual = ????
I am not sure if she declared type or not but that would be my guess. Introverted very likely. iNtuitive likely. Possibly INTJ. As an INFJ she would be an Idealist.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Tupac Chopra: Guess = ENFP, Typealyzer = no blog, Actual = INTJ
Why did he follow on from clio? Just random chance. Really. As to his type I am guessing on the full four letters but am fairly confident on the NF bit. [Wrong as can be. (Is INTJ)]

aoefe: Guess = E?FJ, Typealyzer = ESFP Actual = ENFJ
The maple honey declared herself to be an ENFJ. I might have guessed ESFJ (extraverted feeling type) but I will take her word on the matter. [work safe visual proof]
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

brightstormyday: Guess = INF?, Typealyzer = ESFJ, Actual = INFJ
As far as I remember declared herself INFJ. I probably would have guessed correctly. I am certainly not surprised. [per her reply this may not be correct]
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Rebekah: Guess = INFP, Typealyzer = ENFJ, Actual = INFP
I believe she declared herself as such. I probably would have guessed correctly. [confirmed]
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

anoukange: Guess = ISFP, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ISFP
Artistic, sensitive type. [confirmed] and proud of it.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

David Alexander: Guess = INFP, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = INFP
I am not sure about the T/F divide. However, I am going with the F. I had thought of ISxP but went with iNtuition. [close or correct]
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

chic noir: Guess = ISFP, Typealyzer = ESFP, Actual = ESFJ
I am not sure here (sorry: *default uncertain*). Introverted and Feeling for sure, her interest in fashion and style tips me towards ISFP.*default wrong* *Chic expresses dismay* *is ESFJ*
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

LILGRL: Guess = E?FP, Typealyzer = ESTP, Actual = see below
ENFP per her self declaration (IIRC). I might have guessed ESFP (party girl). As a self-described geek (or was it nerd) the “N” does not surprise me.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Epoxytocin 87: Guess = ESxP, Typealyzer = no blog, Actual = see below
ESFP per his self declaration (IIRC). I would have guessed ESxP.

Sofia: Guess = INF?, Typealyzer= INFP, Actual = see below
INFJ per her self declaration. I believe I guessed INF?
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

The deblogged Hope (RIP): Guess = INF?, Typealyzer = deblogged, Actual = see below
INFJ per her self declaration. I probably would have guessed correctly. I would certainly have guessed INF, I might have called her INFP.

Bhetti: Guess = ????, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = INFJ
I would guess an introverted thinking type. Amongst my guesses are: ISTP, INTP, INTJ. Oops! After some investigation Settled on INFJ.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

(ghost of)Nicole: Guess = ISTP, Typealyzer = ISTP, Actual = ????
Just seems right.
Blog link added and Typealyzer run on Feb 22, 2010

Whiskey: Guess = INTP, Typealyzer = ENTP ,Actual = ????
Mostly from the theoretical (Whiskygeddon) bent of his writings. He is definitely an iNtuitve thinker.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

jmkaye: Guess = ISFP, Typealyzer = ENFP, Actual = see below
Just a guess (even more of a guess than the others), see my reply to here in this thread. [update: Well maybe, maybe not]
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Ferdinand Bardamu: Guess = ?NTJ, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
Apparently hurt by his exclusion from the first draft. As I said in my reply, I do not always get a strong Briggsian impression for every blogger.
My current guess is an iNtuitive Thinker. Possibly an ?NTJ.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Obsidian: Guess = I?TP, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
Introverted Thinker. Possibly ISTP or INTP.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Dave from Hawaii: Guess = none, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = INTJ
Self declared.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

SDaedalus: Guess = none, Typealyzer= INTP, Actual = ENFJ
Self described on a reply to anoukange. A Teacher
Her blog was new on the Typealyzer date (Feb 28, 2010) so the rating may change.
Blog link added and Typealyzer run on Feb 28, 2010

Φ: Guess = none, Typealyzer = ISTP, Actual = INTJ
His reply pointed to his admission (despite Typealyzer’s doubt. Note that the original Typealyzer reading mentioned above is different than the more recent one.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Lady Raine: Guess = ?NTJ, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = see below
I believe she described herself as ENTJ. I am certainly not going to argue (again and again) with her. Over to you Roissy. :/
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

maurice: Guess = none, Typealyzer = no blog, Actual = ENTP
When not being ignored maurice is an ENTP.

Phoenixism: Guess = none, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = INTJ
per his reply. I had not made a guess for him.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

collegeboy: Guess = none, Typealyzer = no blog, Actual = see below
Is still figuring it out.

Thursday: Guess = none, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = INFP
Per his self declaration. Typealyzer thought he might be INTP (it does that sometimes).
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010

Vincent Ignatius: Guess = none, Typealyzer = ESFP, Actual = ENTJ
Per his reply on a different post.
Typealyzer as of Feb 22, 2010

Poetry of Flesh: Guess = INTJ, Typealyzer = ISFP, Actual = ????
She was not in the original list but I added her after making comments on this thread. Typealyzer’s ISFP is plausible (it is not only INTJ chicks that seek dominance and her writing has a certain artistic style to it) but I will stick with INTJ.
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 23, 2010

Virginat50: Guess = IN?P, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 23, 2010

FeministX: Guess = INTJ, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
INTJ or INTP. I think Typealyzer and I can agree she is unlikely to be an INFP. :/
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 24, 2010

Cless Alvein: Guess = INFP, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
If not INFP then maybe INFJ.
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 25, 2010

Advocatus Diaboli: Guess = ?NTP, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
I am six hundred sixty six percent sure of this. Or maybe not.
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 25, 2010

The Fifth Horseman: Guess = ?NTP, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ????
Possibly ?NTJ.
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 25, 2010

Peter: Guess = ESTJ , Typealyzer = ESTP, Actual = ????
Perhaps he should be GNP? (a special type, just for him). Typealyzer’s ESTP is possible as his blog indicates sporting interests, but I will stick with my first guess.
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 25, 2010

Ulysses: Guess = none, Typealyzer = INTP, Actual = ENTP
When linking to this post mentioned that he was an ENFP but not a PUA. Updated to reflect an original mistype (ENFP s/b ENTP).
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Feb 28, 2010

An Player: Guess = ESFP, Typealyzer = ESFP, Actual = ENTJ
Other possibilities are ESTP, and perhaps ENFP/ENTP. Claimed ENTJ in a reply on his blog.
Entry added and Typealyzer run on Aug 30, 2010

Default User: Typealyzer = INTJ, Actual = INxP
I am pretty clear-cut on all the letters except the T/F. While most people (online and real world) would consider me a Thinking type I do not clearly match the description for either (INTP/INFP). I feel closer to INFP than INTP although some would say I have a cerebral and academic air. I feel most at home with the description for Dominant Extraverted Intuition (ENTP/ENFP) but I am assuredly introverted. All of that goes to show the perils of typing as a serious endeavor. Nobody is a perfect embodiment of their type and can show confusing mixtures of preferences.
Typealyzer as of Feb 17, 2010


Footnotes:

INTJ is a recurring type on Internet forums that feature argumentation. While they make up perhaps 1 percent of the real-world population they might be 20 percent or more of the online population. They feature heavily on Roissy and related sites. The slightly more touchy-feely INFJ seems popular amongst female androsphere dwellers. Indeed iNtuitives of all types own the Internet; Sensing types own the real-world where they make up about 70 percent of the population.

I have a theory that female bloggers tend to be extraverted feelers while male bloggers tend to be introverted thinkers. Yes, I know that there are many exceptions to this “rule.”

As of Feb 17, 2010:
Girlgame is Typealyzed as ISTP (tomboys?).
The Spearhead is Typealyzed as INTJ (geeks?).

*Tucker Max: Although they do serve beer in hell and have tons of cute chicks, what Tucker Max does not know is that he will arrive with the persona of Default User. As gunslingergregi would say: “tee hee hee.” [back]
Shriek! As of Feb 17, 2010 Tucker Max is Typealyzed as (I don’t believe this) INTP.

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137 Responses to “Myers Briggs and the PUAsphere”

  1. brightstormyday Says:

    Noice.

    I still dunno if I’m INFJ tho.

    And Tucker Max is laaaame. So not funny.

  2. Default User Says:

    @brightstormy
    I thought, at some point, you said you were INFJ. Maybe I am confusing you with Mandy! XD.

    I think college is turning you into a ESFP (party girl).

    Do you want me to change or remove your entry (or mark it “disputed”)?

  3. brightstormyday Says:

    No, no. I am an INFJ. At least, according to the test I took a while ago.

    I don’t know. College may have changed me. We’ll find out when I take the test again in a few months.

    People certainly describe me differently and a few people from back home have noticed a huuuge change in me, although those that know me best haven’t.

  4. anoukange Says:

    yes, I am…”Quiet, serious, sensitive and kind. Do not like conflict, and not likely to do things which may generate conflict. Loyal and faithful. Extremely well-developed senses, and aesthetic appreciation for beauty. Not interested in leading or controlling others. Flexible and open-minded. Likely to be original and creative. Enjoy the present moment.”…although I will say I am a 50/50 split on the introvert/extrovert aspect. I have made my living due to my people skills and my outgoing nature towards them. Thanks for this, very cool idea. 😉

  5. jmkaye Says:

    Every time I try to take that test, I get bored about halfway through, and give up. What does that make me?

  6. Ferdinand Bardamu Says:

    How did I not make this list? And after I gave you all those plugs 😦

  7. Default User Says:

    @anoukange
    If you are 50/50 split I suppose we could call you an ambivert. Introverted types can still be social.

    BTW:
    Quiet, serious, sensitive, kind, as well as loyal and faithful can be hallmarks of IFSJ as well. Although you seem a bit too free spirited and artistic for that. I have a reasonable sense of aesthetics and style which are not things associated with iNtuitive Thinkers.

  8. Default User Says:

    @jmkaye
    That sounds like an SP experiencers.

    As a quick guide you can figure your type by the reasons you did not want to take the test.
    xNTx: You see all the theoretical problems in such simple typing. You have an idea to make it better though.
    xNFx: How could you put people into little boxes like that? We are each wonderful and unique creations and not one of 16 types.
    xSxP: Boooring! Who wants to sit down and take a test. Let’s do something more interesting. If you are going to give me a test at least make it a sex positions test or something.

    xSxJ: I see the potential. It might be fun but isn’t it all a bit silly? Don’t you have more important things you could be thinking about?
    [A real SJ would never break the rules by ending a sentence with a preposition. Or as a more playful SP (or NT) would put it: A real SJ would never use a preposition to end a sentence with.]

    PS
    I might guess ISFP for you. Indeed, I will throw caution to the wind and make it my official guess. Funny thing is that I did think of you, thought “ISFP?” but did not feel “certain” enough.
    [Don’t worry. The thought processes of iNtuitives are not always neat and clear]

    I will be adding a few more people today. I will include your entry if you have no objections to that.
    [As I said these are guesses. I did not study any of the bloggers just grabbed my overall impression.

  9. Default User Says:

    @Ferdinand Bardamu

    How did I not make this list? And after I gave you all those plugs

    As I said I do not have a view on everyone. You are probably an iNtuitive Thinker (possibly NTJ) but I really do not have a strong impression.

    As I said to jmkaye, I do not study the bloggers or posters I just grab an impression. I did not mention a lot of androsphere bloggers for the same reason. I do read your blog everyday but for some reason cannot make an MB guess. There are a lot of bloggers that I have no guess for.

    Showing such hurt over an exclusion from a list like this sounds a bit NFey. It could also be the mark of and ISFJ or ISFP.

    If you are an NTJ then you are not expressing hurt, you are merely trying to understand the reasons for the exclusion.

    PS
    I do appreciate the links. Your site must be popular because it ends up high on the referrers list.

    PPS
    I will add you today with the guess above. I will may a few more bloggers today.

  10. Φ Says:

    Have you tried comparing your results to the Typealyzer?

  11. Default User Says:


    I was going to add a note about Typealyzer. I do not have the time now, but may add the Typealyzer result for the blogs mentioned. What is funny is that it types this blogger as INTJ and you as INTP yet our respective types are INtP and INTJ.
    [I am divided on the T/F axis though am probably a bit more T]

    Given some of the more personal tone of some of my posts, I might have expected an INFP reading for this blog. Of course, it is matching writing not actual personality type (although I am sure the two are related).

  12. anoukange Says:

    Add as many as possible Default, if you’re up to it. I have also pushed this on my blog.

    To all: please take the test and tell Default to add you. I personally would love this list to get as long as possible.

    Ferdinand: You are a hard one to peg.

  13. Default User Says:

    @anoukange
    If people post results here then I will update them.

    oh, and I love when you ramble, it gives me even more insight into you.

    Oops! I will have to be more careful. I am supposed to be all alpha, aloof, and mysterious.

    You are right Chic is funny. And, I am glad you keep coming back for “something.”

  14. Dave from Hawaii Says:

    I tested INTJ. I think the description fits me pretty accurately.

  15. Rebekah Says:

    I’ve taken this test a few times–to kind of test the test–trying to see if I would answer the questions differently at different points in my life, and the result is always INFP.

    I wonder if we become who we are through nature or nurture; do we all start out the same and stay the same? For instance, I was home schooled through jr. high and was only child. If those circumstances were different, I wonder if I might have been different. According to family, I was very extroverted as a kid.

    Which brings me to the way other people perceive us… I think brightstormy commented above about this. I am constantly surprised when people/friends refer to me as a people person or outgoing. This was obviously something I was forcing myself to do at the point when they met me as some sort of social survival–but it was/is not what I find to be comfortable and easy to do. I hate the disappointed expectation feel from people when they expect you to be something all the time; I think that’s why I prefer to be by myself or with really close friends.

    It’s interesting to me that you are split in one category. I’d never heard of that before and want to read more about it.

  16. jmkaye Says:

    well, just to be contrarian I went ahead and took the tests, and I’m no closer to knowing where I figure in.

    On the short quiz I got INFP, which sounds somewhat like me, and on the long quiz I got ISTJ, which sounds almost exactly like me. BUT, the SP is definitely my “shadow self;” it was more apparent when I was a teenager, and pops out now and then, usually when I’m about to get fired from a crappy job.

    ISFP sounds slightly like me, but I wasn’t feeling it.

  17. anoukange Says:

    Dave: I can see it!

  18. Default User Says:

    @Dave from Hawaii
    INTJ. I probably should have guessed.

    For Roissy posters
    that are male
    if there is doubt
    say NTJ

  19. Default User Says:

    @Rebekah
    Like you, I am occasionally accused of being extraverted Hmmph! How dare they. I almost want to . . . say something. :/

    Correctly, Myers-Briggs is about cognitive processes; specifically whether we use them in an introverted or extraverted manner. Often these will correspond to your social attitude (I versus E) but they may not. The tests tend to focus on social attitude to ascertain I or E but this may not match your use of cognitive processes.

    In any case, all introverts need to act in an extraverted manner at times. Nobody can tell how you feel (“all this meet and greet is doing my head in”). Feeling types may also give a warm and friendly vibe (agreeable) that people associate with extraversion (in this case meaning social).

    http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/infp.html
    Describes these cognitive processes for an INFP.

    The nature or nurture question fascinates me. I believe it is a bit of both.

    Our nature causes us to prefer certain skills, practice hones them exaggerating the original effect (e.g., Thinkers become better thinkers, Sensors become more in tune with the environment, etc.). However, nature can put pressure on us to develop skills that then become part of our nature (the small kid does not play sport and becomes more imaginative and introspective).

  20. Default User Says:

    @jmkaye
    Go to http://www.personalitypathways.com/type_inventory2.html
    Scroll down and try each of the types.

    For example as an INFP you would click on Dominant Introverted Feeling. You would share that preference with an ISFP.

    As an ISTJ you would chose Dominant Introverted Sensing. You would share that preference with an ISFJ.

    Do not be afraid to click on the Extraverted types as well. Tests tell me INxP (usually a slight bias towards thinking but not much) but the choice for ENTP Dominant Extraverted Intuition. Socially I am introverted with no doubts but the ENTP matches better.

    Finally, go to:
    http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/16types.html and try different types.

    The Pattern of process for ENTP sounds closer than the one for either INTP or INFP. Again, despite the “E” I am assuredly an introvert. I guess you could say I am an ENTP with the mute button on.

  21. Rebekah Says:

    I almost want to . . . say something. :/

    Funny. 🙂

    So I guess you are saying that if I (or any person) were naturally an extrovert, it wouldn’t matter that I didn’t interact much in social situations during my formative years, and it wasn’t that lack of interaction that caused me to be an introvert. Very interesting. Thanks for cognitive processes link!

  22. Rebekah Says:

    Correctly, Myers-Briggs is about cognitive processes; specifically whether we use them in an introverted or extraverted manner. Often these will correspond to your social attitude (I versus E) but they may not. The tests tend to focus on social attitude to ascertain I or E but this may not match your use of cognitive processes.

    I just read the information you linked. The I/E does refer to how we express ourselves, right? I read something that listed the 4 characteristics this way:

    how we express information
    how we perceive information
    how we process information
    how we implement information

    About the I vs. E, the article said something like we all have a bit of both in our nature, with most people having a preference towards energy from either the outer (E) or inner (I) world, which takes the lead in personality development and plays a more dominant role in their behavior.

    An extravert would feel deprived when cut off from interaction with the outside world; an introvert regularly requires private time. I’m still wondering how much of this is learned and how much is truly preference.

  23. Default User Says:

    @Rebekah

    So I guess you are saying that if I (or any person) were naturally an extrovert, it wouldn’t matter that I didn’t interact much in social situations during my formative years, and it wasn’t that lack of interaction that caused me to be an introvert.

    I have no doubt that nurture can play a role. A lack of social contact means that you draw on your Introvert ability (the tolerance for less activity). Over time use of that skill turns into a preference (habit).

    I really cannot answer your case for sure. It is certainly possible that you followed the route in the first paragraph (i.e., you developed a taste for introversion after been forced into it). Adolescence brings stresses and changes. This is where nurture and nature fight again. Nature brings about hormonal changes that effect emotions. Nurture brings about its own set of influences (the attitudes of peers towards you and towards others). So puberty may well have moved you towards introversion regardless of other things.

    In a few words: I am not sure.

    A vaguely related side note:
    I think that shyness can “cause” introversion as much as the introversion causes shyness. My theory (hey I am an iNtuitive) is that shyness is caused by an over aroused nervous system. The shy child’s nervous system runs faster, so that he is always on “high alert.” Many things in life are stressful; this stress can be fun in that it provides energy (raises our arousal level). Social interactions are stressful, for most people it is a pleasant level of arousal. However, for a child who is running hot, such events can cause unpleasant stress.

    Because such events are stressful, the child avoids them. By keeping to solitary pursuits, they keep their arousal level at comfortable levels. They learn to get pleasure from such quiet pursuits and thus become introverts.

    An introverted, although not shy, child may fall behind in developing social skills because they spend more time alone. Initially they still enjoy social contact but soon find it difficult (to understand the rules). Their lack of understanding leads to nervousness and uncertainty in social situations and thus the shy child is born.

    Those who favor iNtuition face another problem in that the world is majority Sensing. The difference in thought processes and focus (abstract versus concrete) can make conversation difficult. Again this can lead to stress and anxiety causing withdrawal from social events.

  24. Default User Says:

    @Rebekah

    I’m still wondering how much of this is learned and how much is truly preference.

    My rather long answer above could better have been summed up as: I am not sure. Probably a bit of both.
    [who knew an introvert could be so talkative? :/]

  25. Rebekah Says:

    Your answer was very helpful, D, thanks.

    [who knew an introvert could be so talkative? :/]

    I’m beginning to think you’re an extraverted alpha male. In which case we would have nothing to talk about.

    🙂

  26. Default User Says:

    @Rebecoy

    I’m beginning to think you’re an extraverted alpha male. In which case we would have nothing to talk about.

    Well you would have nothing to talk about. The extravert would do that for you. ha ha!

  27. maurice Says:

    Ignored again! After almost two years of participating at Roissy almost daily. What am I, a half-empty glass of club soda? 😉 For the record, I’m an ENTP – consistently extreme on each indicator, but mellowing with age. And that’s a type not included in your list above, btw.

    Congrats on the blog – didn’t know it was here. Will check it out. Missed your humor and insights.

    Default says:
    Even the computer ignores you. 🙂 WordPress thought this was spam. Apologies for not including you. I do remember you mentioning your ENTPness. I always figured you for a Feeling type. NT types can sound harsher, more combative and less fair minded than you did.

    I updated the post time so the reply will appear at the bottom and not end up lost by appearing amongst older replies. Original post time Feb 11, 2010 16:56

  28. Tupac Chopra Says:

    When I was younger I tested as INTJ, and I would say that still holds true, if only for the core of my personality.

    As I grew older and studied game and whatnot, I definitely moved closer to the E on the I/E spectrum. But that is merely behavioral change. I still qualify as I on what is to me the defining characteristic: having one’s energy restored by solitude. No matter how long I’ve been partying over the weekend, I still yearn to return to my castle to gather myself.

    Also, in order to be more successful with women (or people in general) I learned to suppress my J qualities towards being more P. And again, that is just behavioral. But *internally*, I’m stil Judging harshly. Elitist, misanthropic soul that I am. So I hide it in most meatspace environs, only to unleash my inner Torquemada at Roissy’s.

    As far as you suspecting I’m an “F”. I take umbrage to that. To me, F’s are touchy-feely, whimsical, artsy-fartsy types. Great quality in women, but I don’t think it reflects me. I am something of an accomplished musician, but I wouldn’t say I’m the “creative” type, i.e., I can learn and play very well, but my original artistic *creations* leave a little something to be desired.

    I think whatever F you percieve in me is wholly a function of my “N”, which I most certainly am.

  29. anoukange Says:

    Tupac: many musicians are very technically minded, not so emotional as many would believe. I suppose good music has to have soul but being a technically skilled musician is often linked to more scientific minds.

    Maurice: you came up as spam at my place too. What’s up with that?

  30. Default User Says:

    @Tupac Chopra

    I think whatever F you percieve in me is wholly a function of my “N”, which I most certainly am.

    That is likely true.

    N can soften and flesh out T. In the kind of guesswork I was performing can be confused. As I pointed out my choices were guesses and based on written (behavioral) impressions. This reply does show your NTJness. Especially the affront at been considered a Feeling type (heaven forefend).

    I disagree that F types are by definition touchy/feely. Extraverted Feeling is described as “Connecting and considering others and the group” That sounds a lot like the foundations of pickup. It sounds like someone that will appear social and warm. Feeling types are also more likely to develop an appreciation for art and beauty (compared to a Thinking types *understanding* of it). A man that allows himself to be moved by art is not necessarily touch/feely in manner of being untethered from logic and common sense.

    Like all attitudes, it will appear differently in men and women. Feeling women, especially extraverted types, may present that more fluffy style. A Feeling man will likely present that warmth in a more masculine manner. In any case Feeling types can use logic, they are not doomed to be forever caught up in the whirlwind of their emotions.

    However, I am wise enough not to argue with an INTJ, so I will update your designation.
    Touchy/feely smiley follows
    🙂

  31. Default User Says:

    @anoukange

    Maurice: you came up as spam at my place too. What’s up with that?

    Poor maurice. He is the Rodney Dangerfield of the PUAsphere. He just can get no respect!

  32. jmkaye Says:

    @anoukange

    a lot of musicians are very good at math.

  33. collegeboy Says:

    I took the short test first and I was scored as a INTP.

    Then I took the long one and I’m a ISFP.

    Odd.

  34. Tupac Chopra Says:

    I disagree that F types are by definition touchy/feely. Extraverted Feeling is described as “Connecting and considering others and the group” That sounds a lot like the foundations of pickup. It sounds like someone that will appear social and warm. Feeling types are also more likely to develop an appreciation for art and beauty (compared to a Thinking types *understanding* of it). A man that allows himself to be moved by art is not necessarily touch/feely in manner of being untethered from logic and common sense.

    Ok, in that case, this doesn’t sound so far removed from who I am.

    Or maybe my awareness of other people’s feelings is just a cold, calculated appraisal due to my sociopathic tendencies. *shrug*.

    I just know I end up testing as a T on Myers-Briggs.

  35. Phoenixism Says:

    Interesting, I took the test and scored INTJ well before I read your footnote.

    First reaction, I don’t care to argue, then it occurred to me, well fuck YA, I do love an argument.

    I can’t always bring myself to care enough, though.

  36. SDaedalus Says:

    Thanks so much for including me. I am very flattered indeed.

    Black & German thinks I’m more of an ENTJ. Admittedly this was after I mistakenly described myself as such to her.

    However having done a straw poll among people who know me in real life, some of them (whom I met through non-work situations) have said that I can change very quickly from pussycat (ENFJ) to tiger (ENTJ) when under pressure. Others (who would have been introduced to me through work) say that I initially came across as ENTJ but on closer acquaintance changed to an ENFJ. Those who know me best of all simply say when I’m good I’m very good (the best of ENFJs) & when I’m bad (under stress) I’m horrid (the worst of ENTJs)

    I think the explanation for this may be environmental
    http://www.bestfittype.com/enfj_estjestpentj.html

    The boundary between ENTJ and ENFJ is more fluid than one would think though
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21652

    As I mentioned to Black & German in response, sometimes I find it difficult, when analysing myself, to decide whether my views are the product of emotion (with logic subsequently used to justify this) or logic.

    Is there a specific question or series of questions which can be used to identify the borderline ENTJ-ENFJ more precisely?

    The discussion between Black & German & myself, in which she and Reader both identify themselves as INTJ, is very interesting.

    http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/why-women-frequent-game-forums/#comments

    [scroll to the end, as there are a lot of comments on this thread]

    Great post.

    All the best
    SDaedalus

  37. Default User Says:

    @Tupac Chopra

    I just know I end up testing as a T on Myers-Briggs.

    And without further “P” type messing we will close the discussion at that point. :/

    I have already updated your entry.

  38. Default User Says:

    @Phoenixism

    I can’t always bring myself to care enough, though.

    NT types tend to love to discuss or argue subjects in depth. I think that Perceiving types (such as myself) focus on discussing (exploring) whereas Judging types focus more on argument (deciding). For either type they may argue strongly even if the topic arouses no passion for them if the get started.

    I have sometimes ended up in friendly) arguments over things I really did not care about. That is I would not have cared to argue the subject but once involved (by whatever means) I became fully engaged. That said, I find I tire quickly of extended or ongoing debates. I enjoy a certain amount of depth but have my limits.

  39. Default User Says:

    @SDaedalus
    Typing people by observation can be fun but is full of the problems you cite. An individual can present differently at different times or in different situations.

    If you were an ENFJ then according to this page:
    http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/enfj.html
    Extraverted Thinking (organizing for efficiency) would be a “devilish” role. In effect you would be like a “bad” ENTJ (who use Extraverted Thinking) as a leading process.

    The meanings of the hierarchical positions are here:
    http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/16types.html

    Not everyone is a perfect version of his archetype. However, if you are an NF you will be more concerned (and get more satisfaction from) finding harmony, interpersonal connection. You would prefer to lead by encouragement. If you were an NT then you will be more concerned (and get more satisfaction from) developing knowledge, achieving competency, and understanding how things work. You would prefer to lead by directions in order to gain efficiency.

    PS
    I think writing brings out many peoples Thinking side. Ordering your thoughts for the page is different from ordering for interpersonal communication. Unless the person has a strong Feeling preference writing will tend to appear more logical (i.e., it is harder to pick up “warmth” from the written word).

  40. Default User Says:

    @collegeboy

    Try these pages and see if one feels more correct. Sometimes this functional analysis is better than the behavioral one of the other tests. The short test is very narrow and binary. If you do not have strong preferences, it will easily put you in the wrong side given that you are forced to make a choice. The longer test gives more chance of

    INTP (or ISTP)
    http://www.personalitypathways.com/dom-ti.html

    ISFP (or INFP)
    http://www.personalitypathways.com/dom-fi.html

    You may not have strong preferences on S/N or T/F. However, you may find you live your life more like one type or the other. You could also look at the type portraits given at the top of the page. Finally, try the other types on http://www.personalitypathways.com/type_inventory2.html. Do not be afraid to try the extravert types either you might find that one of those provides a better match. In my case: from a functional point of view I am closest to ENTP, this is despite the fact that I live my life as an introvert. The behavioral test will always peg me InxP. That explains why I was never entirely happy with the descriptions for either INTP or INFP.

    As a shortcut:
    xSxP prefer to act in the moment. If they think about something it is to understand what they need to do. They prefer tactics to strategy. They are more likely to prefer understanding things and people to theories. An ISFP will likely have an appreciation for and possibly skill in artistry of some kind. They may be sensitive to the slights of others.

    xNxP prefer to understand. They have no need to act on that knowledge. The are happier working with theories than things or people. An INTP will understand theories and systems but find people a bit “difficult.” They mat have artistic appreciation or skill but it is far less likely than for the ISFP. They may be insensitive to the feelings of others (e.g., brutal honesty).

    Good luck.

  41. chic noir Says:

    default to ankourage You are right Chic is funny. And, I am glad you keep coming back for “something.”

    default, will your outrageous e-flirting ever stop? How many women must you hurt me with?

    *chic noir storms off to take the test*

  42. chic noir Says:

    alright default, I took the short version and this is what I got ESFJ.

    you wrote ISFP

    Looks like you don’t know either end of me. Just my middle 😦

    Feeling types seek continuity through harmonious relationships and collective values. They excel at picking up on the tone of a situation and acting accordingly, adding warmth to a cool setting or turning sour into sweet.

    Sounds like what I’ve worked pretty hard to become.

    They will naturally seek to know what people do well, what they enjoy, where and how they work, and understand what they need in order to make the appropriate connections with other people. They weave and strengthen the collective fabric of social conventions and interactions

    Does this sound like chic?

    Inclusiveness is important and they are particularly sensitive to those who are excluded.

    Yup, I guess that’s why I’m so quick to welcome new people online.

    They are always focused on the other person, feeling a glow when those around them are happy, and troubled when something is amiss.

    Yea, that sounds like me. Always wanting everyone to get along. When people are “bothered” I can pick up on it online even.

    They are natural cheerleaders, often expressing support, gratitude, and encouragement, and heaping praise onto those they appreciate

    Yea, I tend to do that with commenters I like.

    They are loyal and they expect loyalty

    Got that default. I haven’t had one e-affair since I’ve been with you but you flirt with everything in a skirt in these parts.

    They tend to find the correct and gracious way to respond in any given situation, no matter how tense or uncomfortable it is.

    I don’t think I’ve figured this out yet? Can anyone help me? Does this^^^ sound like me?

  43. anoukange Says:

    I knew Chic was an extrovert! And a very friendly one too 🙂
    I don’t know collegeboy but there s no way in hell he is an ISFP, he’s too mean.

  44. anoukange Says:

    *there’s

  45. anoukange Says:

    oh, and I wouldn’t exactly say that I am proud to be an ISFP. Almost a curse if you ask me….especially in this part of the blog sphere.

  46. Phoenixism Says:

    DU, I found a reference somewhere about the “shadow” traits. Essentially all that is the polar opposite of your present MBTI personality.

    Since I’m equally curious about people I absolutely do not get along with as I am with those I do (actually, I find people I don’t get along with much more interesting), is it safe that my shadows are the people I’d least “get along” with?

  47. collegeboy Says:

    anoukange: Mean? Never!

    My heart shouts love to everyone. Except fat chicks. eww.

  48. chic noir Says:

    @collegeboy- phat or fat?
    🙂

  49. chic noir Says:

    anoukrage I knew Chic was an extrovert! And a very friendly one too

    thank you madam 🙂

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  51. anoukange Says:

    collegeboy- dude, you called me a “5”. You need to meet me in person, cop a feel of my ass, look into my eyes, inspect my pores, touch my hair, and THEN determine my “rating”. Pictures don’t translate well.

  52. Default User Says:

    @chic ESFJ noir

    Looks like you don’t know either end of me. Just my middle

    Isn’t it what is inside that counts? :/

    I would say that I got the important part correct; that you are a Feeling type.

    I am surprised at the Extraversion because I thought you had described yourself as quiet (or at least said things that pointed that way). So I only tried the Introverted types. I was certain you were not INFP or INFJ, so that left ISFJ and ISFP. Had I included the extravert types I might well have found the correct answer.

    In any case, read my points about the difficulty typing people online (or even in real life). Whether ISFP or ESFJ you are still the same chic, and that is just fine.

    everything in a skirt in these parts.

    I am so glad that my female commenters don’t wear pant-suits.

    They tend to find the correct and gracious way to respond in any given situation, no matter how tense or uncomfortable it is.
    I don’t think I’ve figured this out yet? Can anyone help me?

    Think of the gracious hostess that can defuse an embarrassing situation with a drunken guest in a way that does not shame the drunk or embarrass the others (and allows the situation to be quickly forgotten). Think of someone who can bring a shy person into the conversation without making it seem forced or putting pressure on the shy one.

    I think that is the kind of thing they mean.

  53. Default User Says:

    chic noir *stomps feet* and asks

    default, will your outrageous e-flirting ever stop?

    I am not sure I would call it “outrageous.”
    [Some might doubt that it is even flirting.]

  54. Default User Says:

    anoukange sensitively said

    wouldn’t exactly say that I am proud to be an ISFP

    Aack! You Sensing types. So . . . . literal. :/

    Joking aside, that might be an example of S versus N thinking. I did not think that you were really “proud.” It was just my way of saying you were comfortable enough to share it publicly (devoting a blog post to it).
    [It occurs to me that it is I who am taking your reply to literally : )]

    I can understand how you feel about certain areas of the blogosphere. Even I, as a Thinking type, feel that the arguments can be harsh and dogmatic. All I can say is that sometimes there is no hidden meaning to a comment other than “I disagree.” If you can handle the sometimes-harsh combat of blogosphere then you will be able to handle anything the real world can throw at you.

    Regarding type being a curse, I too feel that way. I have never felt that have been able to use my particular skills to their fullest. I think such dissatisfaction is the Introvert curse (because they introspect more).

  55. Default User Says:

    @Phoenixism
    I have to admit to being a bit hazy on the “shadow” concept.

    The first theory (Jungian, I believe) is that the shadow is merely those unacknowledged part of ourselves. These do not have to be “bad,” indeed they can often be those good parts that we cannot see ourselves. Examples would be something like sense of playfulness in a serious person, sensuality in a practical person, or aggression in a gentle person.

    In the Jungian view, strong reactions to another person can be the shadow at play. It could be admiration for the good trait of another we feel we lack (we may have it but not acknowledge it). In can be recognition of an undesirable trait in another that we refuse to acknowledge as also belonging to us. It is the messy person who is annoyed at the orderly person (because they realize their own disorder is not good thing). It could also be the overly orderly person that gets annoyed at others for their “rigidness,” not realizing that they are seeing a reflection of themselves.

    From a Myers-Briggs perspective it is someone that leads with your “inferior” (4 th process). For an INTJ that would be an ESTP or ESFP

    It could be as simple as your opposite letter type (e.g., INTJ to ESFP). I do not know if merely swapping the letters will always give you someone that leads with your 4 th function, perhaps it will.

    I am not sure if, or how, the “shadow” processes listed in the above links play into it all.

    Socionics is similar to Myers-Briggs. However I am not sure how one maps to the other.They have a inter type relations page. It describes the likely relationships between two people of different types. Be careful though, because I am not sure if the two (MB and Socionics) map together perfectly.

  56. Default User Says:

    @anoukange

    I wouldn’t exactly say that I am proud to be an ISFP. Almost a curse if you ask me

    A PS to the curse of type:
    The video you linked in your recent post provides an example. My thoughts may move with the grace of Mikhail Baryshnikov on the dance floor but such “skill” can never garner the reaction that his real-world (xSxP) skill can.

    So which would you prefer: To be able to move beautifully or to understand some complex abstract system? The first will find appreciation in any part of the world; the second may find some use in a very narrow sphere.

  57. collegeboy Says:

    collegeboy- phat or fat?
    fat *shudders*.
    but those “phat” chicas get it everytime. love me some fertility spots. forizzall.

    You need to meet me in person, cop a feel of my ass, look into my eyes, inspect my pores, touch my hair, and THEN determine my “rating”.
    wooahh easy tiger!
    I would stay away tho.
    you might kill my soft artist heart with email hell roosh furry!

    default: hmm man I think I’m a mix of some other personalities but maybe I’m a INTP for the most part…although i don’t dislike people. hmm

    but now how can I possibily be a whiskey??
    i mean ..jesus.. the “amerikan apocalypse”.hmmm. but the guy is smart tho.

  58. Default User Says:

    @collegeboy

    but now how can I possibily be a whiskey??

    You could both build different theories. Two INTPs could favor wildly different theories while still maintaining their individual INTPness.

    I do not believe that most INTPs dislike people, it is just that they can find the social graces difficult. In other words, they may enjoy other people while finding small talk and social banter difficult. However, get them going on their subject(s) and they are off.

    Most people are not perfect representations of their type even if they share common features. An INTP could seem anything from “interesting but a bit reserved” to “weird” to “OK but kind of quiet.”

    Good luck whatever your type(s).


    Default NTP

  59. brightstormyday Says:

    Collegeboy, stfu, we all know you’re a little fat Mexican boy.

  60. Phoenixism Says:

    Thanks DU, that’s a good explanation.
    I don’t know anyone here and I’ve often wondered how closely the online persona mirrors the real life persona.
    I would suspect that over time, the online persona gradually presents an excellent read.

    For instance, Chic Noir is an ESFJ (self-professed). Interesting that you mentioned a couple of “_ESFs” as putatively my opposite.

    Chic is a total extrovert.
    I think what irritates me most is her reliance on referring to herself and others in the 3rd person and the dramatic structure she uses to convey dialog.

    I don’t know Chic, she may be a fine person.
    Her online person grates on my nerves. That’s all.

  61. Default User Says:

    @Phoenixism
    I have to admit I enjoyed chic’s *dramatic structure* True, it is a bit silly but I enjoy that break from seriousness. It is probably the ESF versus INT that bugs so many people on Roissy’s. However much she annoys you I hope you agree she is better than *cue ominous music* Lady Raine. As I said, the extravert thing surprised me. I had assumed a more quiet and sensitive nature for chic. I thought the online drama was a reflection of her imagination more than a projection of personality.

    Despite my mistake above and my misread of Tupac, I do believe that our online self (assuming no fronting) is probably close to our real life selves. In real life we would be a bit different but still recognizable.

    More on the shadow:
    Another thing to try is to go to: http://www.personalitypathways.com/faces.html and scroll down to the Hierarchy or Order of Preference table.
    Look down the table to find your type.
    Look across to find your shadow type (last four – 5 to 8 )
    Look for the type whose first four (1 to 4) match your shadow 4.
    That could also be you shadow opposite

    Example showing INTP and ENTJ as shadow opposites.
    [below is an excerpt from the link above]

    Hierarchy or Order of Preference

    Myers Briggs type

    1st

    2nd

    3rd

    4th

    5th

    6th

    7th

    8th

    INTP

    Ti

    Ne

    Si

    Fe

    Te

    Ni

    Se

    Fi

    ENTJ

    Te

    Ni

    Se

    Fi

    Ti

    Ne

    Si

    Fe

  62. Default User Says:

    @chic noir
    PS
    Before you *stomp feet* and *storm off* I meant silly in a good way (light, humorous, the opposite of serious).

    *default smiles*
    *default tenses awaiting the sound of slamming e-doors*

  63. Phoenixism Says:

    Actually I’ve always found the Lady Raine type more enjoyable.

    The point I’m trying to make…Chic seems like a nice person and I would never come down on her because, basically, I don’t know her.

    I know I am annoyed by the vibe of her posts. That is all.

  64. Default User Says:

    @Phoenixism

    Actually I’ve always found the Lady Raine type more enjoyable.

    It is amazing how the same person can be seen differently by different people. I guess it is a version of the what does she/he see in him/her question.

  65. collegeboy Says:

    Collegeboy, stfu, we all know you’re a little fat Mexican boy.

    Did I strike a nerve Amanda?

    Either way you mispelled, “Collegeboy, stfu, we all know I wuv you.”

  66. brightstormyday Says:

    I don’t know you that well, but I just don’t like you, collegeboy. Sort of how Chic grinds Phoenixism’s nerves.

    Also, Phoenism- I strangely agree with you on Lady Raine. I actually know a real life Lady Raine type. Not necessarily Lady Raine type as in mentally unbalanced, Lady Raine type as in personality wise. She defends everyone, is all inclusive, is very just. Very outgoing. idk.

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  68. anoukange Says:

    collegeboy-
    I had a valid point even though I was joking. Please post pics of yourself so we may asses. Like I’ve requested of all who write blogs or comment on them. Let’s see if you all can back up all of the shit talking you all do. What I mean when I write things like that is that I will meet anyone at anytime, face to face. I fear not. Can you say and do the same? I’m not sure what “email hell roosh furry” means but dude had it coming. you ARE NOT an ISFP in ANY way.

    DU-I would want the physical skill. My being an ISFP has never hurt me the way it has since blogging. I was always around other “arty” types so it was the norm. I had complete, random strangers sending me hate mail….as if I was not a person, not human. Coldness scars me because I cannot defend myself against it. I will lose every time. I would rather someone come at me with a sword. I can fight a sword.

  69. brightstormyday Says:

    Anouk, I love you.

    And I sort of admire you, if that’s weird.

  70. David Alexander Says:

    I think you’re relatively spot on for me in terms of the choice. INFP is probably closer to me in general even though I have a few of the INTP characteristics.

  71. brightstormyday Says:

    David Alexander and Default User have similar personality types? Oh my!

  72. Default User Says:

    @anoukange

    I would want the physical skill. My being an ISFP has never hurt me the way it has since blogging. I was always around other “arty” types so it was the norm. I had complete, random strangers sending me hate mail….as if I was not a person, not human. Coldness scars me because I cannot defend myself against it. I will lose every time. I would rather someone come at me with a sword. I can fight a sword.

    Sword fighting, how very SP. :/

    You have survived your trial by Internet. You are still here. I am not sure, however, that “arty” types are necessarily nicer. Perhaps they are less direct. Indeed, the intellectual (NT) types may be mean, but it is “nothing personal.” With an “arty” (Feeling type) it can become very personal.

    The sensitivity that allows words to act as “stick and stones” and actually hurt you is the sensitivity that allows you create your art. Without your sensitivity, there would be no art; at best, there would be the soulless demonstration of good technique. Without that sensitivity, expressing that good technique would give you no more joy than balancing a checkbook.

    PS
    Collegeboy could well be an ISFP. Feeling types can be just as mean as thinking types. In fact Thinking types are more likely to be mean by accident (no sugar coating the truth) whereas Feeling types will be mean with same intensity that they can be warm.
    As I mention I suspect that Roissy is an ISFP, and he is hardly the epitome of sweet and gentle.

  73. Default User Says:

    @David Alexander

    I think you’re relatively spot on for me in terms of the choice. INFP is probably closer to me in general even though I have a few of the INTP characteristics.

    INxP FTW

  74. Default User Says:

    @brightstormyday

    David Alexander and Default User have similar personality types? Oh my!

    “Oh my!” indeed.

    It shows how type is only part of the story. While DA and I might seem different, you can probably spot similar themes. I see type as a motif that runs through your life not a description of that life. Type is the scaffolding that you build your character and personality on.

    Before your conversion to ESFP party girl ( :/ ) you were an INFJ. You shared that with Sofia and Hope. The three of you were quite different, yet not so far apart.

  75. Thursday Says:

    I test as INFP, but Typealyzer puts my blog as INTP.

  76. brightstormyday Says:

    Typealyzer puts my blog as ISFJ, but I’m going by INFJ because ISFJ is lame and not really me.

  77. Default User Says:

    @Thursday

    I test as INFP, but Typealyzer puts my blog as INTP.

    I think the act of writing makes us more Thinking. Typealyzer does focus on writing “style” not actual type. However it does seem to give “T” results to those that I feel might be more “F.”

    I am not sure how it works. I am guessing some kind of Bayesian analysis. I do not know if it looks at single words or somehow analysis sentence structure. My guess is it just looks at words. Interestingly it does seem to like awarding ESFP. Again I am not always certain that is correct.

    PS
    I will add you to the list

    I will (eventually) add the Typealyzer guess for each entry to go along with my guess and the official (self declared) verdict.

  78. Default User Says:

    @brightstormySFJ

    because ISFJ is lame and not really me.

    A real INFJ would never call another type “lame.” :/

  79. Phoenixism Says:

    Typealizer calls Phoenixism INTP, not far off from my own personal INTJ.

    Interesting that my blog is nearly a reflection of my own personality. I think it’s important that your blog speaks for your soul. My previous blog (which I’ve mercifully euthanized and buried, was completely at odds with my voice.

  80. brightstormyday Says:

    @Default:

    A real introvert would never talk.

  81. collegeboy Says:

    collegeboy-
    I had a valid point even though I was joking. Please post pics of yourself so we may asses. Like I’ve requested of all who write blogs or comment on them. Let’s see if you all can back up all of the shit talking you all do. What I mean when I write things like that is that I will meet anyone at anytime, face to face. I fear not. Can you say and do the same? I’m not sure what “email hell roosh furry” means but dude had it coming. you ARE NOT an ISFP in ANY way.

    Luv ya too.

    @default. Maybe I am an ISFP. I read the list and it sounds like me. I like music (i collect records.) and I’m learning how to write music. I also like animals and kids are alright. Hands on training. Yeah in general I’m probably that.

    I’m sort of mean (i guess) but I only do it to people who I feel deserve it in a way. I don’t ever inflect cruelty just because.

    Channeling the karmaic retribution with an edge of course.

  82. brightstormyday Says:

    Collecting crap does not make you an artist, holy shit you are one of the most annoying people I’ve ever had the misfortune to meet.

  83. Default User Says:

    @Phoenixism
    LOL

    I just ran Typealizer on this blog and it came up with:
    ISTJ – The Duty Fulfillers

    It had previously had it as INTJ.

    I think it’s important that your blog speaks for your soul.

    That sounds almost NF. 🙂

  84. Default User Says:

    brightstormyday

    A real introvert would never talk.

    .

  85. Default User Says:

    @collegeboy

    Maybe I am an ISFP. I read the list and it sounds like me. I like music (i collect records.) and I’m learning how to write music. I also like animals and kids are alright. Hands on training. Yeah in general I’m probably that.

    The “tell” on INTP vs ISFP would be if you enjoy collecting for itself (the organizing and cataloging) or whether the collection is secondary to your enjoyment of music. Do you enjoy the learning of a new skill (NT) or the expression of it (SP)?

  86. brightstormyday Says:

    Now it says I’m an ESFJ! What is this?

    😛

    Defaulty, I have a split personalities disorder.

  87. brightstormyday Says:

    Also, I’m mad at you for not responding to my email. 😦

  88. anoukange Says:

    DU-“Feeling types can be just as mean as thinking types. In fact Thinking types are more likely to be mean by accident (no sugar coating the truth) whereas Feeling types will be mean with same intensity that they can be warm.”

    –valid point. When offended on a fundamental level, clearly I can be hateful if I want to be.

  89. Default User Says:

    @brighystormydays

    Now it says I’m an ESFJ! What is this?

    You are really chic noir?

    Defaulty, I have a split personalities disorder.

    Uh Oh! Twice the trouble.

  90. Default User Says:

    @brightstorminday

    Also, I’m mad at you for not responding to my email

    Is the INFJ mad or is the ESFJ mad?
    [I am not sure which is better. Probably both a bit much for this INxP]

  91. Default User Says:

    anoukange warned:

    When offended on a fundamental level, clearly I can be hateful if I want to be.

    I will try and stay on your good side.
    . . . or just delete your replies :/

  92. brightstormyday Says:

    Well, not the test. I didn’t take the test again. But I ran my blog through the typealyzer, and it says I have an ESFJ blog, and before it said my blog was ISFJ.

    Hmmmm

  93. Default User Says:

    @brightchangingday

    But I ran my blog through the typealyzer, and it says I have an ESFJ blog, and before it said my blog was ISFJ.

    I would not worry. I think Typealyzer looks at the words you use. So if describing an event it will likely pick up more “extravert” words. If describing inner thoughts it will likely pickup more “introvert” words.

    As you see, it changed on this blog as well (from INTJ to ISTJ). I have a real world blog where it changed several times before settling down on a correct (or mostly correct) designation.

  94. chic noir Says:

    While walking to the kitchen to MAKE DEFAULT A SANDWHICH, chic noir overhears the following conversation…

    Phoenisxm Chic is a total extrovert.
    I think what irritates me most is her reliance on referring to herself and others in the 3rd person and the dramatic structure she uses to convey dialog.

    *bangs fists on counter top*

    Her online person grates on my nerves. That’s all.

    *chic noir cries, runs off & throws body across her bed*

    Chic noir to self: if he hates me now, wait until he sees what I got cooking for him.

    Chic noir puts on her Jessica Rabbit dress and struts to the kitchen.
    Chic noir sets her eyes on phoenisxm and really makes things jiggle as she approaches him.


    at the 1:55 second mark folks. check out Default flirting with a blonde Mandyxd as I leave the table.

    *Phoenism with mouth wide open drops his Champaign flute*

    Chic noir steps right up to Phoenism, grabs his chin and places her face just inches away from his.

    *Dana watching from across the room thinks to self*
    I sure hope he puts her in her place.

    Chic noir to Phoenism: So I hear you got a problem with me buddy. Actually, I heard everything you said so what do you have to say for yourself???

    *Phoenism turns red and his eyes water*

    Chic noir opens her mouth to say something else and notices how phoenism flinches away from her.

    Chic Noir to self: he can’t be that afraid of me.

    *Chic noir puts her hand up to her mouth and blows*

    Chic noir thinks to self: hot darn my breath smells like hot garbage and limburger cheese on a 90 degree day. My hot breath singed off his eyebrows and eyelashes, because of my bad breath, Phoenism looks like an albino version of Whoopi Goldberg.

  95. chic noir Says:

    Alright alright… I will qualify myself before the great Phoenism.
    fun fact: I like your eperson 🙂

    maybe it’s a generational thing.

    I’ll be serious:
    Chic is a total extrovert

    the short test said to think of yourself before the age of 12. As a kid I talked a lot (sometimes). 1. to fix what was wrong with me 2. because my siblings are a bit older than I so I was starved for attention from my age mates.

    I think what irritates me most is her reliance on referring to herself and others in the 3rd person

    Oh, I picked that up from Pupu. She is the orignal thrid person speaker in these parts. I’ve always found it hilirous when people use the 3rd person to talk about themselves. Funny how that grates other people.

    and the dramatic structure she uses to convey dialog.

    I’m silly sometimes and I like for the people around me to be happy. A good laugh can do wonders for your mood. The dramatic structure is soap opera speak.

    I don’t know Chic, she may be a fine person.
    😀 that I am.

    Her online person grates on my nerves. That’s all
    😦

    well I gotta please my man so default’s opionion ranks first.

  96. Default User Says:

    @chic noir (femme fatale straight out of film noir)
    That video did not end well. Good thing I was flirting with Blondy! 😄

    albino version of Whoopi Goldberg

    LOL
    .
    .
    .
    Correction:
    *default laughs*

  97. chic noir Says:

    default, you were Mr. Big, the guy flirting with blonde.

    LOL

  98. Default User Says:

    @chic noir
    So long as I was not the guy that got hurt, that is OK.

  99. brightstormyday Says:

    I would never be blonde.

    o.o

  100. Default User Says:

    smartandstormyday said:

    I would never be blonde. o.o

    Yeah, you are too smart for that! ha ha!

  101. collegeboy Says:

    whether the collection is secondary to your enjoyment of music.
    this is it. appreciation is more appealing than skill IMHO.

    oh and 100th comment. your reaching roissy level over here default.

  102. Default User Says:

    collegeboy

    100th comment. your reaching roissy level over here default.

    Not even close. I think the record at Roissy was around 1,500. Yes, one thousand five hundred.

  103. Default User Says:

    Update to this post:

    I added links to listed blogs.

    I added a Typealyzer reading for listed blogs.

    I now show my guess, Typealyzer’s guess, and the actual the blogger’s actual type.
    [I only list the Actual = where the blogger has confirmed it here or clearly documented it elsewhere (my memories of declaration do not count).]

    I noted that (according to Typealyzer) the GirlGamers are ISTPs and the Spearheaders are INTJs

    Most shocking of all, that bad boy Tucker Max is secretly (if you believe Typealyzer) an INTP nerd.

    As always, please let me know of any corrections, confirmations, or additions.

  104. Kamal S. Says:

    Typealyzer

    is patently creepy.

  105. Default User Says:

    @Kamal S.

    Typealyzer is patently creepy.

    And often wrong.

  106. Bhetti Says:

    Ah, Default, to think after all this time you cannot pin me down.

    Anyway, it’s not only you who has trouble. I do believe I got a different result last time this subject was broached and I took a test. Always pretty clear I’m strong on the I at least. INTJ this time. 1% on the T especially, ha.

  107. Default User Says:

    @Bhetti

    Ah, Default, to think after all this time you cannot pin me down.

    “Pinned down.” For some reason I am picturing the cover of a romance novel here.

    Anyway, it’s not only you who has trouble. I do believe I got a different result last time this subject was broached and I took a test.

    Most tests are based on behavior when really type is based on so-called cognitive processes. The idea is that your preferred cognitive processes lead to behavior that is captured by the tests. That may not be exactly true for everyone.

    This page lists the various cognitive processes and how you might experience them. One of those might resonate more closely. If they do that might be a better reflection of type. In any case, not everyone strongly expresses type and can therefore “confuse” the tests.

    An INTJ (or INFJ) would be Dominant Introverted Intuition.
    An INTP or ISTP would be Dominant Introverted Thinking.

    Another thing to look at is those questions that were more difficult to answer. I imagine that some test questions were easy, you had no difficulty making a choice; you others may have pondered others more feeling that either one could be true.

    In my case I can flip from T to F by changing the answer those “difficult” questions. I take that to mean I am basically a Thinking type but strongly supported by Feeling.
    The cognitive processes I use match those of an ENTP (Dominant Extraverted Intuition despite the fact that without doubt I live my life as an Introvert. That explains that while my type label might be INxP, I have never felt entirely at home with the descriptions for either INTP or INFP.
    [that said most would probably class me as one of those two; few would think ENTP]

    If I cannot pin you down, maybe you can. Good Luck.

    PS
    Can I make INTJ your “official” designation?

    PPS
    Do not be afraid to try the Extravert types on the page linked above.

  108. Bhetti Says:

    The more I read, the more different aspects I recognise and different results there are. INFJ will do as my official type, especially since this analysis particularly resonates with me:
    http://www.davidmarkley.com/personality/infj.htm

    For some reason I am picturing the cover of a romance novel here.
    *adopts an innocent look*

    Doug has so many E-qualities… read through them to see if any particularly seemed to embody him. Short test was particularly helpful. I’d put him as ENTx, P because he’s a multitasker and is a right before deadline type but also J because he’s also brilliant at foreplanning. Not sure which side is more natural to him.

  109. Default User Says:

    @Bhetti

    especially since this analysis particularly resonates with me:

    That is probably more accurate than a test.

    So, INFJ it is.

    INTJ seems like the official game/PUA/andro sphere male type.
    INFJ seems like the official female type.
    [interesting considering how small a proportion NT and NF types are in the general population]

    Once again I am the misfit.
    [but true to type am not particularly concerned]

  110. SDaedalus Says:

    Where’s Poetry of Flesh on this list? I’m interested in her personality type from a matchmaking point of view. C’mon, you must surely have taken this into account in suggesting that she could help with your personal development.

  111. Default User Says:

    @ SDaedalus

    Where’s Poetry of Flesh on this list?

    There are a lot of people not on the list. I wrote the post on kind of a whim. I just scanned through my memory of bloggers and posters, and listed those where I could make a guess or where they had that had mentioned their type.

    Poetry is probably an INTJ. The need for dominance may exist for most women but seems to concentrate in NTJ types. I will now add her as such.

    The match making and personal development comments regarding Poetry were a joke. Obviously, the relatively mild Default User and the dominance seeking Poetry would not be a good match. It might be good training for me though, keeping her in her place and happy.

  112. sdaedalus Says:

    “His blog”

    Eeek.

    You are as bad as the commenters on Fem X’s site. See discussion on heteronormative sex. I told them I was a woman, twice. They didn’t listen.

    Believe it or not, this never happens to me in real life.

    PS: Is this because I haven’t posted a naked photo on my blog?

  113. Default User Says:

    @sdaedalus

    “His blog”

    Eeek.

    Corrected. I believe you.

    See discussion on heteronormative sex.

    I tend to stay away from discussions where “heteronormative” is used seriously.

  114. sdaedalus Says:

    Thank you. It is a relief to be back in the right gender again. I may have gone too far in trying to be as objective as possible in my posting & commenting.

  115. Default User Says:

    @s(ister)daedalus
    I am not surprised that you are female. I guess I am andronormative; I will use “he” for anyone who I cannot be sure is boy or girl.

    PS
    Are you cute? 😉

  116. SDaedalus Says:

    Default User asks

    Are you cute?

    It’s difficult for a woman to be completely objective in rating herself, and such ratings have a tendency to fluctuate with one’s moods. But, all in all, I’d be reasonably sure I qualify as cute. Anything above that would vary depending on male personal preference.

    Are you flirting with me? This is a novel experience as to date the only e-flirtations I have experienced have been female. This has been somewhat disconcerting. Looking back, I should have realised the gender confusion.

    FemX would approve of the andronormative reference.

  117. Default User Says:

    @SDaedalus

    Are you flirting with me?

    Of course. Now that I know you are a woman.

    This is a novel experience as to date the only e-flirtations I have experienced have been female.

    Glad to have put that right.

    I should have realised the gender confusion.

    There is nothing masculine in your style. I guess that I assume male as a default. Indeed, I put some feminine sounding things down to the NF part. Again my apologies for the mistake, and not flirting with you sooner.

  118. sdaedalus Says:

    Again my apologies for the mistake, and not flirting with you sooner.

    Not at all. You have made up for lost time very effectively. I am tempted to say, better late than never, but this might come across as a little ungrateful, which is not intended.

    Just to let you know, I have made some amendments to my post & it appears that the blog is now coming up on Typealyser as ISTP. Interestingly, the main changes related to my self-identification as female (to avoid any further confusion) and the insertion of the words “George Clooney” at key points. Perhaps an interest in George Clooney is typical of ISTP women.

    Best wishes. I have stayed up far too late.

  119. Default User Says:

    @IsTPdaedalus

    I have stayed up far too late.

    Good idea to get some rest. I hate cranky posters.

    I just re-ran your blog through Typealyzer and it still shows as INTP. Did you change it again?

    It would be interesting to see if other actors could change the result. If Clooney is popular with ISTPs then who is popular with ISTJs, ENFPs, etc.?

    I am not sure exactly how Typealyzer works. My guess is that it looks at individual words; some words (more concrete and descriptive) move a blog towards S and some towards N.

    This blog has Typealyzed as ISTJ and INTJ. If you scroll down you can see a map of the brain activity for the Typealyzed blog.

    I suspect that the act of organizing your thoughts and the writing itself mean that you will use different thought processes to normal. For example a Feeling type will need to engage Thinking to organize the post; it is that thinking pattern that shows up in the Typealyze report.

  120. sdaedalus Says:

    You are right. I typealysed the wrong blog, sdaedalus@wordpress.com rather than sdaedalus.wordpress.com. When I have some time I’m going to switch the post from the impersonal to the personal tense & see if this makes a difference with typealyzer. George Clooney being such an alpha male, I thought my blog might have been gamed by him.

  121. Default User Says:

    @sdaedalus

    George Clooney being such an alpha male, I thought my blog might have been gamed by him.

    Now I see your plan. You are hoping to catch the eye of Mr. Clooney while he is ego surfing.

  122. sdaedalus Says:

    You have me there. I am outfoxed. However I see my cunning ploy has worked, and Mr Clooney has popped in to say hello. Maybe there is a possibility of reforming the alpha male after all. However as I am very busy at work today Mr Clooney will have to wait until I knock off in a couple of hours. As he spends considerable time in Europe presumably he wil be familiar with Greenwich Mean Time.

  123. Default User Says:

    @sdaedalus

    Mr Clooney will have to wait until I knock off in a couple of hours.

    Making the alpha male wait for your attention is the first step in reform.

  124. sdaedalus Says:

    I agree with you. Unfortunately my rationalization hamster kicked into overdrive on reading Mr Clooney’s email, and I have replied ALREADY. Proof positive that I lack the self-discipline necessary to reform the alpha male. Heaven knows what I’d have done if we met face to face.

  125. Default User Says:

    @sdaedalus

    Heaven knows what I’d have done if we met face to face.

    You would have ended up face to face. :/

  126. sdaedalus Says:

    Exactly.

  127. Ulysses Says:

    Damn, I lied. I forgot one of my letters. I’m an ENTP, not an ENFP.

  128. Default User Says:

    @Ulysses

    Damn, I lied. I forgot one of my letters. I’m an ENTP, not an ENFP.

    I will correct your ENTry.

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  130. dana Says:

    the real question is: is there any more annoying MB type to be (for the person) than INTJ?

  131. Default User Says:

    @dana
    I always assumed that INTJs became annoyed with other people (INTJs being always right, of course).

  132. dana Says:

    yes that’s why its the most annoying type for a person to be–the world is infested with those “other people” dealies

  133. brightstormyday Says:

    Is there any more annoying type for everyone else than the INTJ?

    ANSWER: NO.

  134. Default User Says:

    @dana
    If INTJs worry about the competence of others, spare a thought for INTPs who suffer constant doubt about their own competence. What could be more annoying than that?

  135. Default User Says:

    @brightstormyday

    Is there any more annoying type for everyone else than the INTJ?
    ANSWER: NO.

    Ha! I thought INFJs were supposed to be nice.

    PS
    I guess when an INFJ is being annoying the do it with feeling.

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  137. rl Says:

    Tucker max is not a PUA, don’t equate him with your faggot bullshit. Nor are any ESTPs. I’m a ESTP/natural/alpha male. if they were truly an ESTP they would never need PU in the first place. ESFPs,ESTPs,ISTPS,ISFPs and ESTJS don’t need that gay shit.

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