The Most Alpha Myers-Briggs Type?

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Mirror, mirror on the wall. Who is the most alpha Myers-Briggs of them all? After trying to figure out what type each blogger was we now move to the most important question: Which Myers-Briggs type (not blogger – we could never answer that) is most alpha?

So cue up some music and prepare for the knockdown, dragout cage-match of M-B types. Which one will deliver the Briggs beatdown? Which will suffer a Myersian mauling?

Like the last time this is mostly for fun. I have focused my ranking on pickup; that is the type whose raw material gives the best start in the skill of seduction. Many of those skills translate to other areas of life and I have made some guess as to how basic type might help here as well. This is not about which is “better” in the cosmic sense; just the temperament that will have the best start in the seductive arts. I based this on males possessing the type. The rating would be different for females. When I refer to a type as male or female, I merely mean that they type characteristics are associated with one sex more than the other; I am not impugning the masculinity or femininity of anyone that has an opposite sex type. Also, note that not everyone will achieve their type potential and many will surpass their type limitations. With those disclaimers disclaimed, let the battle begin.
Most Alpha Potential

ESFP
As with all sensing-perceiver types they live in the moment. If nothing else, seduction is all about “the moment.” It is about noticing and reacting to changes in the environment. The mixture of Extraversion and Feeling gives them a warm and gregarious manner.
Males: This is the Don Juan archetype. He may love ‘em and leave ‘em but he will probably leave ‘em feeling good.
Females: This is the archetypal party girl, flirty and flighty. The bubbliness can be very appealing but like her male version there will be as much emphasis on “leave” as “love.”
General: While more of a female type men can wear this well. ESFP men will likely not appear soft or fluffy. The warm charisma of this type will mean they can comfortably assume leadership. ESxP are the wheeler/dealers of the world. They may get themselves into trouble but will also be able to dig themselves out of it.

ESTP
Has all the in-the-moment sensing-perceiver skills. As a Thinking type may appear more cool and detached than their ESFP counterpart.
Males: This is the archetype player. He will leave ‘em and not really worry about it. He runs the risk of his conquests becoming a sterile and mechanical, lacking the joy of the ESFP.
Females: She is the femme-fatale or the playette. She offers some of the advantages of the ESFP; all of the disadvantages.
General: As for the ESFP. Their cool-headed thinking preference my be more suitable for business.

ISFP
These are the artistic ones. They have all the tactical in-the-moment skills of their extraverted cohorts. Although introverted they will not appear as serious, cerebral, or reserved as other introverted types.
Males: They can project an air of cool sophisticated charm that may seem refined compared to the more obvious ESFP. He will likely have a sense of style in dress and manner that will help him stand out from the crowd.
Females: Can project warm sensuality that is just bubbling beneath the surface. This more mysterious understated form can be very appealing in comparison to the more obvious ESFP. Like her male counterpart will be able to use her individual style to its most flattering use.
General: This is a type that works for both men and women, although they may present it very differently.

A Lot of Alpha Potential

ENFJ
They present a softer warmer version of the ENTJ. These are the type to provide encouraging charismatic leadership. Tend to be good at “getting” people, and know the right thing to say or do.
Males: He is warm and friendly. He will likely have lots of woman around hem, he just need to make his move. They may need to tone down their cuddliness while maintaining their decisiveness.
Females: As with their male counterpart, their warmth and charm is appealing. That warmth and charisma may however appear intimidating to less confident men (in a too-good-for-them way).
General: This is a type that works for men and women. It is equally appealing in both. Although they are less visible then their ENTJ counterpart, they too are likely in leadership positions beyond expected numbers. Like all NFs may have an idealized picture of what they need from sex and romance.

ENTP
These are basically a fun loving type. They are often charming and verbally skilful. They usually have enough charisma to make up for any NT quirkiness. Indeed, that offbeat nature forms a large part of their appeal.
Males: Their optimism and energy can be infectious. They may get away with game missteps because she will accept it as part of his quirky charm.
Females: More of a male type although the adaptability of the type may allow ENTP females to present their character in an appealing manner. They will win admirers with that same quirky charm that males do.
General: Flexible type that can probably adapt to many environments. Although they lack the in-the-moment skills of the ESxP or the style and sensuality of the ISFP they can still project a pleasing personality.

ENTJ
This is the classic leader of men type. They tend to be forceful and direct. While they may appear stern, they will project energy. Their appeal comes from their alpha qualities. Indeed their actual seduction skills will likely be far less than the ESxP types. However, if they apply themselves they can do very well. Even without practice, their forceful personalities will be attractive to many.
Males: Their powerful dynamic presence is almost all the game they need. However, as NT types they need to understand that logic does not work in seduction. As NTJ types they need to realize that seduction not only lacks logic, it also lacks rigid rules and strict order.
Females: This is the classic Amazon girl. DC Lawyer Bitch is probably an ENTJ. That is all you need to know.
General: This is a very male type. They are probably found in leadership positions in proportions far beyond their small number in the population. Females will not wear this type well and their own hypergamy will make it hard to find men that “measure up.”

Plenty of Alpha Potential

INTJ
It is no surprise that gameosphere is full of INTJs. Their order and logic seeking minds do not naturally fit into the fluid moves of seduction. Although appearing less forceful then their ENTJ cousins they posses a strong and quite self-confidence that can be attractive. If most “naturals” come from the ranks of ESxP then the best students will come from the ranks of INTJs.
Males: In their raw form INTJs may not seem like great seduction material, but with their natural self-confidence, discipline and decisiveness they can learn a very good game.
Females: INTJ is a male type. INTJ females will suffer some of the problems that their ENTJ sisters do. I suspect that INTJ women need the most dominant men, perhaps even more than ENTJ females
General: INTJs can do very well in business. They have plenty of leadership ability (although they may not seek it) and their self-confidence and decisiveness will put them on the right foot. As iNtuitive Thinkers they can see the big picture and make good strategic decisions.

ESTJ
Directive and decisive, this is probably the stereotypical middle or upper-middle manager. They may project an aura of calm confidence. However, they may tend towards seriousness in manner. They will have the confidence needed but may lack that more glib charm that aids success in seduction. However, an ESTJ man that wants to develop his game has good material to work with.
Males: This is more of a male type. While not exciting, the ESTJ can project air of calm certainty that is not unappealing.
Females: Females may not wear this type well. Nobody likes a bossy woman, and ESTJ is one of the bossy types.
General: Every club, community organization, and corporation will likely have at least some ESTJs keeping things (including NF and NTP types) organized.

ESFJ
Warm friendly and sensible. These are host and hostesses of the world. When they are not organizing social activity for themselves, they will be organizing it for you. They like to entertain and will probably have a wide circle of friends.
Males: While more of a female type males can wear this well. Often the center of social activity they will have access to many women; they just need to make their move. Like other SJ types they may appear a bit staid or boring, but this does not have to be the case.
Females: We all know her. She is the woman that is always organizing something. If she is not arranging a party, she is probably trying to set you up with someone. ESFJs need to make sure that in all that organizing for others they do not forget themselves. They will have access to many men; they just need to make themselves available.
General: If ESTJs bring order to all those civic organizations, then the ESFJ brings warmth.

ENFP
They are warm and enthusiastic. Their expressiveness and offbeat style can be appealing even to the more reserved types.
Males: As with all NF types ENFP is slightly more feminine. However, warmth, humor, and a bit of craziness never really goes out of style. For many the ENFP’s gentle non-conformity carry greater appeal than the more obvious rebelliousness of the ESTP/ISTP. The ENFP male may need to be careful of appearing too “gushy” and over enthusiastic.
Females: Warm, charming, sympathetic, and a bit crazy. What’s not to like? Perhaps the fact that she might bounce out of your life as quickly as she bounced in. Nonetheless, it is still an appealing type.
General: In some ways they are even more “people persons” than the ESFP. They are the kind of person you like, even if you do not fully understand.

Some Alpha Potential

ISTP
They are quiet and reserved. They may be more interested in machines than people. Although they are Sensing-Perceivers, they tend to be less expressive than others of the clan. However, they may show flashes of humor or daring activity that contrasts their more normal quiet state.
Males: If ESTP is the mischievous bad boy then the ISTP is the sullen bad boy. Get your Brando swagger on and you are good to go.
Females: These represent the stereotypical tomboy. She would do well to remember that a bit of lipstick can go a long way.
General: Firefighters, pilots, and police officers are some of the places you will find ISTPs.

ISTJ
Quiet, trustworthy and reliable. These are the people that allow behind-the-scenes to remain behind the scenes. These are the stereotypical “beta” male or “mousy” female. Sadly, as we know, such traits do not make a great seducer. Although they could do well by learning game, they are perhaps less likely to.
Males: These are the solid serious type. The typical dad/provider type may well be an ISTJ.
Females: They are solid and loyal. Sadly, they are also easy to overlook.
General: Accounts and administration are where you will find them. If you do not want to date them, you should at least thank them. A lot of the world runs on ISTJ.

Less Alpha Potential

ISFJ
They are muct like the ISTJ. Due to their feeling preference they will be more sensitive. ISFJs tend to be under appreciated.
Males: There biggest problem is that they may not put themselves forward. Although they may be aware of their own feelings they might not express them. They may take criticism and rejection hard.
Females: In some ways they are the classic girl-next-door type. They are caring sensitive and loyal but sadly easy to miss in the crowd of more vibrant offerings.
General: Greatly under appreciated and often unacknowledged for their contributions.

INTP
If INTP were a person, it would be the absent-minded professor. INTPs can probably talk game with best of them but may find it more difficult in practice. Their abstract and theoretical minds (N) and introversion can make small talk and other parts of seduction hard for them. If their Thinking preference is strong and their Feeling side undeveloped they can disdain small-talk altogether appearing cold.
Males: This is the stereotypical male nerd. If they can get out of their head long enough, they might be able to do well in the seductive arts. They will certainly understand the theory. Indeed their independence and lack of deference to authority can be appealing.
Females: Such nerdiness is seen as less acceptable for a woman. Their quiet yet independent nature may make them seem difficult.
General: Many INTPs have a playful side that can surprise those have only seen the serious cerbral face of this type. Wherever theories are being theorized you will find INTPs. You are less likely to find them on the sports field.

INFJ
Warm and friendly yet may be hard to get to know. They can often read people very well in a manner that may be surprising to those people. Concerned for other’s feelings, they will make an effort to avoid causing hurt. Despite their warm and caring approach they are very independent and confident. They will not go against their own ideals.
Males: The nurturing aspects of this type can make it difficult for a man to wear. Do not be misled into thinking INFJ males are effeminate or girly-men. They will appear “different,” and that difference can be appealing to some.
Females: Their complexity is what makes them appealing. Although they may be quiet, and thus overlooked, they offer an appealing mix of softness and moxie (that J kicking in). They will probably be good at figuring out the players and may be tougher win over than their quite demeanor would suggest.
General: Will tend to influence others “invisibly,” with neither themselves nor the others being fully aware of it.

INFP
These are the poets of the world. Quiet, deep, and a bit other-worldly. They may be hard to get to know, but will care for all those they meet. Although a reserved type they will be appreciated for their quiet warmth.
Males: INFP is most definitely a female type. INFP males may have a hard time (especially in their youth and teens). However, with their warm hearts and caring nature they just might sneak up on you. Perhaps even more than other introverted types may find it difficult to put themselves forward.
Females: Their deep and introspective natures may make them hard to fathom. Their reserve means they may be overlooked. This will be as much the other person’s loss as the INFP’s.
General: They are the most idealistic of the NF idealists. They may have an ideal for love and the other person that they cannot quite describe. They are probably the type that is least comfortable in a standard dating setting with its focus on glib charm and sometimes-cynical attitudes. The world may run on E/I STJ but it would a much worse place without INFP.

Update (February 22, 2010):
I added and entry for ENFP. I had not included them in the original list. This was purely a clerical oversight (I need an ISTJ assistant), I did not intend any disrespect to persons of that type. I imagine that ENFPs are not the type to get to upset over such a mistake.

I made a change to the entry for INFP indicating that I did not think the possibility of over looking them was a good thing.

Finally, I would like to add that I make no claim that people at the top of the list will be happier than those at the bottom of the list. While many might imagine that introverts lead lonely lives, this is not necessarily the case. Loneliness is a symptom of not having the quantity and quality of social connection you need. Most introverted types are probably fully satisfied with the quality and quantity of the connections they have. You can feel far more lonely in a crowd than you ever could on your own.

71 Responses to “The Most Alpha Myers-Briggs Type?”

  1. David Alexander Says:

    So what personalities match with each other?

  2. Default User Says:

    @David Alexander

    So what personalities match with each other?

    That is an entire post in itself.

    http://www.personalitypage.com/relationships.html

    List what they think are good matches. However, they do not consider male/female dynamics. Therefore, they match extravert types with introvert types, which may work if the male is the extravert but might not work if the male is the introvert.

    http://keirsey.com/personalityzone/lz60.asp

    Also list types they think match. They go for SJ/SP and NT/NF pairings, again with no consideration of male/female dynamics.

  3. Rebekah Says:

    Hmm… Defending the least alpha and very overlooked INFPs, I have to wonder what other factors determine how much a person is noticed besides his/her Myers-Briggs type. For instance, a quick Google search produced the following INFPs: Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Princess Diana, Audrey Hepburn, Julia Roberts, and JFK, Jr. — perhaps some of the most noticed and emulated people in the world.

    As far as being the poets of the world, it was not surprising to see Shakespeare, Yeats, and Oscar Wilde also listed.

  4. brightstormyday Says:

    @Defaulty

    INFJ:

    “Their complexity is what makes them appealing. Although they may be quiet, and thus overlooked, they offer an appealing mix of softness and moxie (that J kicking in). They will probably be good at figuring out the players and may be tougher win over than their quite demeanor would suggest.”

    I can make a whole series of blog posts about this.

    Seriously.

  5. brightstormyday Says:

    Also:

    I love Audrey Hepburn.

    My mom is her clone!

  6. Default User Says:

    @Rebekah

    Defending the least alpha and very overlooked INFPs

    I was certain that the INFJs would come storming in to defend their honor, I am glad to see that INFPs can rise to the occasion as well. :/

    Just to remind you that:
    1) The “ranking” says nothing about the “goodness” of the type.
    2) The “ranking” mostly focuses on dating in a modern urban/suburban setting.
    3) The ranking is for males possessing the type.
    4) The archetypal version of type rather than real people set the “rank” order.
    5) People of any type can surprise you.
    6) People of any type can, and do, find love and attraction.
    7) This was mostly for fun. The map is not the territory. Type is not destiny.

    If ranking the females, I think that Introverted iNtuitives would rise nearer the top. I hoped I was clear that I feel it is a bad thing they (or any other types) are overlooked.

    INF males fall to the bottom of this ranking because it is more difficult for them project the confidence that wins the day in seduction.

  7. Default User Says:

    @brightstormyblogger

    I can make a whole series of blog posts about this.

    I look forward to them.

  8. Default User Says:

    @Brightstormyday, Rebekah

    I love Audrey Hepburn.

    So do I.
    INFP FTW

  9. Rebekah Says:

    I hoped I was clear that I feel it is a bad thing they (or any other types) are overlooked.

    I just don’t think being an INFP — male or female — means you will be overlooked, and I don’t think the real people I listed above are an exception to the INFP type. We find people intriguing for a plethora of reasons. The types at the top of your list just may be noticed first. But, if you are examining the types specifically in the context of picking up as many dates as possible, I’m probably missing your point anyway.

    What website is the most authentic source for reading about and getting info on the M-B types?

  10. Default User Says:

    @Rebekah
    Some of those INFPs surprised me (e.g., Julia Roberts and JFK, Jr.)
    The only one I am completely unsurprised with is Princess Diana (and perhaps Audrey Hepburn).
    Julia Roberts is striking looking and would tend to be noticed anyway.
    JFK, Jr. was very good looking and a Kennedy.

    While Princess Diana was noticed by her prince (fat lot of good it did her), before that she was probably still under noticed considering how pretty she was. Most women will not catch the eye of a prince. Up until that time I would not be surprised if she went unnoticed by most. Even amongst her set, I imagine she was somewhat of an enigma.

    Remember, I based the “ranking” on males. Males cannot get away with been noticed, they need to act. When they act, they need to project some level of confidence.

    Both parties need to be able to express their character in a way that the other person “gets.” Most of the world speaks a different language (Sensing) to iNtuitives and so it can be tougher for them to understand and be understood. Even two iNtuitives, while nominally speaking the same language, may find it difficult to connect.

    My experience with those I suspect to be INFP (male and female) is that they would stay in the background unless coaxed out. If the INTP is the absent-minded professor then the INFP is the absent-minded poet (or absent-minded professor of poetry). It was clear that their thoughts were deep and complex but they would not be the first people I would think of if (shudder the thought :/) I were looking for a social group.

    I suspect that many INFP women go, if not unnoticed, unacknowledged. While appreciated, it can be hard for others to know how to deal with them (e.g., the kind of stuff that leads to a date). The INFP men that I knew were really nice guys but would not figure on any woman’s list of guys they might like to date. Like the women, this was not that there was anything wrong with them, it is just that they are hard to figure out. The hardest bit of romance or friendship is that first bit; the part where you break through each other’s barriers. Introverted types have more (or stronger) barriers, and iNtuitives have barriers that are more complex. Not only are those barriers more difficult, they are less visible to others.

    But, if you are examining the types specifically in the context of picking up as many dates as possible, I’m probably missing your point anyway.

    I based the “ranking” on how easily I thought they would find a date. That is if you took a group of people representing all types and gave them a challenge to find a date, who would find one quickly and who would have more difficulty. By “date,” I mean a member of the opposite sex (how heteronormative of me) that they are attracted to and is attracted to them. In other words if the challenge is to do what most of us want to do (find at least one romantic partner), who will tend to have most success.

    Most romantic relationships begin with some form of “pickup” or seduction. Whether you want one person for the rest of your life, or one person for the rest of the night some of the same skills come into play.

    What website is the most authentic source for reading about and getting info on the M-B types?

    I do not know what site would be considered most authoritative but the M-B PUAsphere thread had a list of potentials.

    Wikipedia has entries on The MBTI, Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and type portraits (e.g., INFP).

    There is no sure way to figure out the type for famous people. The only sure way is for them to take a test and acknowledge the result publicly. Most reports of a type for a well-known person to are guess similar (perhaps more professionally valid) then my guesses for bloggers. They are based on expressed behavior that may not match their true type.

    Do not think that I am down on INFPs or other INxx types. I am merely expressing the relative difficulty each type will have in dating. Indeed some of my best friends. . .

    PS
    This blog spun out of my involvement as a poster at Roissy’s . Because of that I tend to weave PUA themes into my posts, or put a PUA gloss on themes that I cover. There is more to life than dating, but it is an important part of life.

  11. anoukange Says:

    hmmmm….some things to think about here. Maybe we all can delve a bit further into each and more posts will spider-web off of this one. I will look into the whole M-B system of labeling and characteristics more this weekend. Very interesting post DU thank you.

  12. Rebekah Says:

    Default,

    I’m sure Diana was noticed primarily as a suitable mate with which to have children, as her prince was in love with someone else and still is. She was 19 when they married. Some people grow into their features and style, and actually get better-looking as they get a little older. The public in general seemed to like “Shy Di” much more than the very extrovert Sarah, Duchess of York.

    Would an INFP (male or female) who makes themselves attractive physically and has a pleasant personality, not have an equal opportunity at dating as a type at the top of your list who is unattractive?

    I’m probably being defensive, relating so much to the INFP. And while I know we’re not the social butterflies of any given situation, I would not consider myself, and others like me, to be totally invisible and completely overlooked by everyone all the time. I’ve found, among certain groups and people, my qualities are as much appreciated as the very outgoing and gregarious. I certainly don’t get a lot of attention, but I’m usually relieved not to be the focus.

  13. Rebekah Says:

    After a more careful reading of your response I see that you said it’s not that INFPS are noticed less or unappreciated, but that they may be harder to get to know, which may deter their dating success. Being last on the list and with the description, I felt you were implying, “In other words, last but not least…we have the losers of the world.”

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  15. brightstormyday Says:

    You can’t spell DUMB without DU!

    If you know what I’m referring to, you’re the best.

  16. Default User Says:

    @Rebekah

    I felt you were implying, “In other words, last but not least…we have the losers of the world.”

    Absolutely not!

    Would an INFP (male or female) who makes themselves attractive physically and has a pleasant personality, not have an equal opportunity at dating as a type at the top of your list who is unattractive?

    During my high school years I knew a male that I guess might have been an INFP. He was good enough looking (not remarkably handsome but certainly presentable), he was a bit taller than average, perhaps a bit too skinny but overall pleasing in appearance. Although obviously a quiet type with a style different to most others, he was not particularly awkward. In other words, he was an average guy. We were friendly but not really friends but our paths did cross from time to time. I last met him when we were both about 22. During the time I knew him (ages 16 to 22), I do not believe he ever had one girlfriend. He was certainly heterosexual and was interested in meeting woman but was never (as they say) able to seal the deal.
    [I do not know what has happened him since]

    During this same time, I knew another guy who although they looked different could be described in the same way as the first; he was a presentable average guy. He was obviously more extravert and seemed more charming, but at first glance you would not say they were vastly different. During this time, he was never without a girlfriend. I am not sure he could tell you the secret of his success, even if he wanted to. He was not really a player but did have a manner that made him attractive to others. I cannot really make a type guess for him other than he was probably an Extraverted Sensor.
    [I believe that he married (once) and has several children]

    No matter how physically attractive a man is he needs enough aggression to make his move. He may be noticed, but nothing will happen with him making the effort. An understated manner may be appealing in a woman; it is less appealing in a man.

    Again, this list was ranking the chances for men that posses the type. I made notes about how I thought the type might work for females, but the ranking was based on males. It assumed an “average” guy, with average looks, average intellect, etc. It was looking at the raw material the type gives the person to work with and was not a prediction for any individual with the type. An ESxP male has good start but can mess up badly. An INFP male will have a tougher start but can do well.

    Regarding INFP females, I think their idealism may make it harder for them to find someone. It is not that you are unattractive as an INFP female, it is that you may be more uncertain about potential suitors (quality over quantity). The uncertainty and preference for depth may cause you to be unsatisfied with relationships and/or seem aloof or disinterested. To find a deep oilwell you may have to cover a lot of ground. That is, to find the right person you may have to meet a lot of “wrong” persons and that is hard for INFPs (an other introverted types) to do.

    And remember I fit into a group that falls towards the bottom of my list. So it is not like I am picking on people. A nerd bullying a nerd, how pathetic would that be?

    And so ends another long, post length, reply. What is it with you INFPs? At least with INTJs it would be:
    Them: “You are talking shit”
    Me: “Fuck you too”
    So much simpler.

  17. Default User Says:

    @anoukange

    I will look into the whole M-B system of labeling and characteristics more this weekend.

    Be careful not to take it to literally. I find it a useful starting point for discussing differences between people but it is not the only thing.

    We probably do have some basic personality type onto which we then build our entire character. It is the framework or scaffolding on which we hang the complete work that is “us.” While the framework is mostly rigid, some cover it with billowing cloth so the underlying framework is barely visible; others use concrete and lock themselves into the confines of the scaffold.

    While I believe my ranking has a large element of truth, it was more for fun.
    [Actually if I really wanted fun and fireworks I would have placed INTJ at the bottom and called them loser geeks. That might have brought some argumentative responses. :/]

  18. Default User Says:

    @meanstormyday

    You can’t spell DUMB without DU!

    The trouble with online discussions is that it is hard to make it clear that although you heard a trouble-making comment you are ignoring it. . .

    If you know what I’m referring to, you’re the best.

    “…you’re the best.” Well I won’t ignore that.

  19. Default User Says:

    Footnote:
    I will use an analogy to explain the “ranking.”
    The smallest NBA player is less than five and a half feet tall. No doubt, he can run rings around many six-foot tall men. That does not mean I would go looking for short men if I wanted to create a winning basketball team.

    If I wanted to be a great basketball player, I would not ask to be five and a half feet tall. If I wanted to be a great basketball player and was five and a half feet tall, I would acknowledge that it was possible but realize I would be working against “type.” I may be able to use aspects of my physique to my advantage (lower center of gravity, nimbleness) but will still be playing a game that does not favor my “type.”

  20. brightstormyday Says:

    You don’ know what I’m referring to, though.

    So you can’t be the best!

    Look up the phrase.

  21. Default User Says:

    @brightstormyday
    I am afraid I don’t get it. I am a guy, how am I supposed to figure out what some chick means? :/

    I did look it up. It seems to be some kind of sports team jibe (DU = Duke University?). Sorry I guess I fail here.


    Defailed User

  22. brightstormyday Says:

    Delta Upsilon.

  23. collegeboy Says:

    Yeah as soon as I read these poped up:
    ESTP
    ESFP
    ISFP

    I guess I wasn’t too far off.
    Either way each personality isn’t a deadend road where you can just bask in the ever glowing comfort of Alphadom, or dwell in the abyss of Betatude.

    People can and for the most part will change their personalities with time.

    Our humanity is always teetering on the cusp of change.

  24. Default User Says:

    @collegeboy
    I am not sure people can change their basic personality. They can, however, change their life (for good or bad). As you said, we are not doomed to betatude forever, and the alpha might only be king for a day.

  25. Vincent Ignatius Says:

    Very insightful post. I type as an ENTJ but the Typealyzer gives my nascent blog ESFP. Stepping back and looking at my game objectively, I do tend to approach pick-up with more of an ESFP persona, but my default behavior is definitely ENTJ. As a grad student, there aren’t many opportunities to lead but I’ve managed to find them and exploit them to the their fullest.

  26. sdaedalus Says:

    Default User

    Your post raises the question: to what extent does successful Game work because it masks one’s personality type, attracting people who might otherwise not have been attracted to you? This might explain why so few Game experts have successful LTRs (although there could be other reasons for this such as the multiplicity of choice or possibly even the disillusion afforded by Game expertise) Personality types can be masked in successive short-term relationships, but even if one has the willpower to achieve this in the long-term, the toll must be almost unbearable for those personality types with the least natural Game.

    Of course it could be argued that Game works because it makes one what Chuck Ross would call more “agentic” without changing one’s natural personality type. But is every Myers-Briggs personality type naturally agentic, even under optimum conditions?

    I would suspect that in order for Game to work for the purposes of a long-term relationship it would be necessary to tailor one’s Game to one’s personality type – otherwise it would not be possible, without great willpower, to survive. This would presumably cut down on the choice available, but for those using Game for the purposes of finding an eventual LTR, it might provide the best chance of maintaining such a relationship.

    What do you think?

    SDaedalus

  27. Default User Says:

    @Vincent Ignatius
    Your Notches post sounds very NTJ. Plotting your conquests, NTJ for sure. :/

    I think writing about relationships or sexual matters will make your blog seem for xSFP to Typealyzer. It is all those “soft” words, I guess.

    As far as leadership styles, I would pit Margaret Thatcher as ENTJ style (direct, unemotional). I would put Bill Clinton as ESxP style (talk yourself into trouble but then be able your talk yourself right out of it).

    I will add your blog to the blogger list.

  28. Default User Says:

    @sdaedalus

    to what extent does successful Game work because it masks one’s personality type, attracting people who might otherwise not have been attracted to you?

    I remember seeing a video of one of those pickup gurus. He was explaining to the audience that they had to be the “high energy guy in the room.” I remember thinking if I were “high energy guy in the room” I probably would not be watching this clip. If your audience were the “high energy guy in the room,” they would not be paying thousands of dollars to hear you tell them to be the “high energy guy in the room.”

    I think you have to match the principles of game to your own personality and tastes. I do not believe you can run game entirely different from your natural self for any length of time. As you said, it is just too tiring.

    As you pointed out, running game that is incongruent with your character will find you people that are incongruent with your character. That may be fine for a one-night stand but for anything longer seems somewhat pointless.
    [This is my inner NF showing: I suspect that congruency might even make one-night-stand sex better. That is two more-compatible people will have better sex than a random couple. But like I said that is my inner NF showing and maybe bad sex is better than none – assuming my theory is even correct.]

    I think early success (whether by game or natural talent) is good for setting up a man for later success. Perhaps there is a case for running some out-of-character game to build up early success. Having built that confidence (and lost some of that shame for not been “cool”) they can probably revert to a style more suited to their personality.

    It has been a long time since I have tried nightclub pickup because it does not suit my style, an no amount of peacocking or planned stories will really change that.

    But is every Myers-Briggs personality type naturally agentic, even under optimum conditions?

    I don’t think so. At least they will not appear so in equal measure.

    Because they are less expressive, introverted types will tend not to project that “agentic” manner. For some introverts, you have to push against them to see their confidence. The flexibility of Perceiving types may seem weak (or at least unagentic). An INTP or INFP can seem rather placid. . . until you push against their principles. Easy going types can seem unassertive because, for many things, they really do not care.

  29. SDaedalus Says:

    Default User

    You write
    I suspect that congruency might even make one-night-stand sex better. That is two more-compatible people will have better sex than a random couple. But like I said that is my inner NF showing

    That is your inner romantic showing – you idealise love. Most people in this corner of the blogosphere are either romantics or disillusioned romantics. You just haven’t become disillusioned yet, as shown by the fact that you are still pondering whether bad sex is better than no sex. A disillusioned romantic might answer either yes or no to this question, depending on their mood, but would never ponder… pondering is incompatible with the cynicism which is the disillusioned romantic’s mask of choice.

    Unfortunately, there’s more to sexual attraction than compatible personality types & also the fact that someone is a compatible personality type may actually increase their potential to cause hurt. So I’m not sure that congruent personality types necessarily make one night stands better, in fact if a romantic is to engage in one night stands there might be a lot to be said for some incongruency with a view to maintaining the requisite level of emotional detachment necessary for self-protection. Also, I’d suspect part of the attraction of one-night stands is the sense of escape from oneself & it is possible that this can only be achieved with an incongruent personality type. Obviously in a long-term relationship escape from oneself becomes impossible, which is possibly one of the reasons why people cheat, to regain this & also a sense of autonomy.

    Perhaps there is a case for running some out-of-character game to build up early success. Having built that confidence (and lost some of that shame for not been “cool”) they can probably revert to a style more suited to their personality.

    Yes, and this is the argument as to why one-night stands can actually be good for romantics – provided of course they avoid getting burnt, which is very difficult, it’s really a case of the frying pan & the fire here.

  30. SDaedalus Says:

    PS In view of the above discussion, I’ve decided to match you up with Poetry of Flesh on your previous post.

    I did seriously consider Pupu as an alternative match, but she is now out of the picture, having been appropriated, Europa-like, by Roissy & happily swept down to the underworld, presumably to eat pomegranates and resurface on a seasonal basis to lighten our lives.

    I think Pupu & yourself, both light-hearted, concise writers who charm without giving too much away about yourselves, might possibly have been too alike to give one another what you need. Too much, rather than too little, congruency.

    Perhaps the real destiny of Pupu & yourself is to charm, by your innocence, optimism & light touch, those artistic types made world-weary by experience but secretly hoping against hope for some exceptions to their gloomy predictions.

    Also, if you were matched up with Poetry the question posed by you above, as whether or not bad sex is better than none, would be purely hypothetical, and neither you nor Miss Poetry would have time for hypothetical questions. I hope though that you could still find some time to post on this blog to confirm that my matchmaking instincts were correct.

    PS As regards those commenters who have advocated a Roissy/Poetry pariring, I can only conclude that they have the destruction of humanity in mind. Although there is a connection here, I see it as that of comrades in arms.

  31. SDaedalus Says:

    Apologies, I compared Pupu to Europa (abducted by Zeus) when I should have been comparing her to Persephone (abducted by Pluto). Once again, my knowledge of mythology lets me down. I got the pomegranate right though. Pupu=nickname for persephone? Who will rescue Pupu?

  32. Default User Says:

    @SDaedalus

    That is your inner romantic showing – you idealise love. Most people in this corner of the blogosphere are either romantics or disillusioned romantics. You just haven’t become disillusioned yet, as shown by the fact that you are still pondering whether bad sex is better than no sex.

    I am, perhaps, a cautious romantic. I do not idealise it, yet would not like a relationship devoid of (for want of a better phrase) warm feelings.

    The PUA lifestyle does not appeal to me partly for aesthetic reasons but mostly for the practical reasons that such constant socializing would be tiring for me. I am not opposed to one-night stands; indeed, they have an appeal.

    Where I may differ from some of the PUAsphere is that I feel seduction is something two people do to each other. I would find no joy in running routines in a cool and aloof manner, unaffected by the attraction process itself. In other words, I could not be detached (watching monitoring her increased attraction as an observer) while merely counting down the time to the bang. This is not to say I am looking for, or expect, some deep and magical bonding. I just prefer to have something (however slight) more than just she is hot. Perhaps this comes from my introverted, slightly nerdy manner; pickup is hard work for me and that encourages a quality over quantity approach.
    [I realize that “quality over quantity” may not actually be the best, or at least may not deliver better results, in terms of actual quality of sex and/or relationships]

    Regarding the rest of your comment: there is plenty of food for thought. In responding to your points, I found that I was most likely just rephrasing what you said. Thanks there is stuff to ponder (but not too long I hope) there.

  33. Default User Says:

    @SDaedalus
    I find it hard to get a handle on Pupu. Her posts tend to be short, and as you said not that revealing. The third person thing is a nice affectation. I wonder if we met in real life would she bring a friend as intermediary.

  34. sdaedalus Says:

    Like every good princess, Pupu conveys her intimate messages in the third person through a lady (or gentleman?) in waiting. One always wonders about the first actual meeting between princess and lover arising as a result of such courtship. However Pupu gives away such little information in her messages that it would probably be like meeting for the first time. The difficulty in discussing Pupu is that because of the third person thing, it is hard to talk about her without actually becoming (or at least risking being seen as impersonating her) so to speak. This only contributes to her elusive mystery and charm. I’d describe Pupu as a cautious romantic also. I think it’s probably the caution that has spared you both from disillusion.

  35. anoukange Says:

    DU-no worries on taking it too literally. Just a reference for the style of each. And by style I mean how each thinks, approaches, shares, writes, etc.

  36. Default User Says:

    @anoukange
    I rarely think about type when first meeting people. However, it can be interesting to look at interactions (after the event) through that lens.

  37. Default User Says:

    @sdaedalus

    The difficulty in discussing Pupu is that because of the third person thing, it is hard to talk about her without actually becoming (or at least risking being seen as impersonating her) so to speak. This only contributes to her elusive mystery and charm.

    I think pupu has good game. She has created a charming and endearing personality while saying or revealing little. Gamesters might do well to study her posts.

    Default User finds himself impressed. Default User wonders if that style might work for him. Default User would probably find it tiring.

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  41. Jharahahaha Says:

    INFP’s take things to heart, I should know, I’m a damned healthy INFP. Guys, i’m sure that when you discovered you were an INFP you hopefully DID read the personal growth section, where it is implied you MUST do your best to not take things subjectively but objectively rather.

    And this is right in every way, I’m not a bad looking dude, but I rarely landed a girl on a night out, the one actual date I DID land and got another 3 dates after… I couldn’t seal the deal, and it fell away on me, (still hurts, sad face). But you MUST be bold as an Infp, learn to take rejection, and failings, and objective criticism.

    It will all help build your character, and remember than no MBTI is a definition of your personal individuality.

    Churps @defaultuser for the good read on a not so serious topic!

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  43. Eric Says:

    Default User,

    My experience as a frustrated romantic idealist INFP matches your observations.

    I also second the previous commenter’s observation that it’s not just crossing the 1st hurdle that is problematic for INFP men. The INFP is handicapped in the follow up.

    As has been often said in the Manosphere, a woman continually qualifies and judges her man. So even in the rare instances a woman agrees to an initial test run with an INFP man, he is in danger of causing the discomfort in her that you described, leading to her rejecting him in short order.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In social animals, the alpha is the individual in the community with the highest rank: ENTJ. ESXPs work in fast food and ISFP is spleeping at home without a job

  45. Anonymous Says:

    ENTP is the most alpha -_-

  46. Anonymous Says:

    i agree with the blogger, estp is the most alpha

  47. Anonymous Says:

    sorry…at what age we develop third and fourth functions? thank you

  48. Anonymous Says:

    I’m intp and also alpha bra

  49. Anonymous Says:

    good for you bro

  50. Anonymous Says:

    Whoever wrote this is sexist as fuck and is clearly not alpha lol
    [DU: Probably guilty on both counts]

  51. Anonymous Says:

    sorry…at what age we develop third and fourth functions? thank you
    [DU: Third probably late twenties to mid thirties. Fourth mid thirties and older]

  52. Anonymous Says:

    thank you very much

  53. lovely_spark Says:

    INFP here… Finally someone said it :p.. I always knew that those SP brothers will rule the most alpha ever. Like seriously, i’ve seen countless physically attractive ESTP, ESFP and ISFP. For ISFP, I think I’ve seen a ton of celebrities being typed into this *envy*. Gosh… And yeah, by the way I also think that ISTP has a little bit lower rank than all those brothers, because, well that’s what I observed.
    I know my type is on the lowest of all, but it’s just true. Like in real life or on the internet, I almost never find an INFP who looks great or at least appropriate to society standard. Most of them don’t even care about maintaining their body. LOL.

  54. holla Says:

    Estp.

  55. Diane Says:

    @defaultuser –
    “I was certain that the INFJs would come storming in to defend their honor, I am glad to see that INFPs can rise to the occasion as well. :/

    Just to remind you that:
    1) The “ranking” says nothing about the “goodness” of the type.
    2) The “ranking” mostly focuses on dating in a modern urban/suburban setting.
    3) The ranking is for males possessing the type.
    4) The archetypal version of type rather than real people set the “rank” order.
    5) People of any type can surprise you.
    6) People of any type can, and do, find love and attraction.
    7) This was mostly for fun. The map is not the territory. Type is not destiny.

    If ranking the females, I think that Introverted iNtuitives would rise nearer the top. I hoped I was clear that I feel it is a bad thing they (or any other types) are overlooked.

    INF males fall to the bottom of this ranking because it is more difficult for them project the confidence that wins the day in seduction.”
    ———————————————————————–
    I was just about to storm in and defend my honor and then saw your comment (as above). Thanks for the clarification, I believe I’ve looked into the subject enough to conclude that I match the qualities of an alpha female. What’s on the article seemed ridiculous.
    -INFJ

  56. Amanda Says:

    Ha, we all know that despite their commonness Sensors are really not the ones that first come to mind when it comes to a dominant leader personality. The truthful order would be ENTJ followed by ENFJ, ENTP and ENFP. Introverted people, on the other hand, should not even be classifed as alpha at all.

  57. Anonymous Says:

    great post amanda entj and enfj rules the world

  58. Anonymous Says:

    i love pussy and im istj

  59. Eve Says:

    Although your description of INFJ’s is accurate & seems to make sense regarding the “alpha” scenario, I’ve had a different experience myself.

    I’ve often been described as an alpha female by many people. I am generally a nice, peacemaking type but I control my domains… quietly yes, but it is clear to everyone around. It’s actually something I’ve been trying to change. Trying to let others run the show, but it’s hard.

  60. Diane Says:

    Hey Eve. I’m an INFJ too. I influence people in my year and they look up to me. That’s just the truth. I’m that quiet girl in the corner, whom everyone would have thought about, trying to look for cracks but fails. They see us as ‘perfect’ because we’re far best at concealing our negativities.

    We influence and lead others to what they think is perfection. We have the aura and we’re very harmonized. We say things and do things at the right time. I’m not joking. Eve’s description is very true.

  61. isfpdawg Says:

    all that matters is how much $ you have

    disregard females acquire $

  62. Anonymous Says:

    so you define Alpha as your ability to act in the moment?
    Bah. I hate, DISGUST this PUA bullshit.
    Just be yourself.

  63. Christiane Says:

    It’s interesting that the ones considered alpha and potential alpha personalty types here are considered less intelligent types (on other sites) and the least likely to be alphas are the more intelligent types. I wasn’t looking for this type of info specifically but found it in researching cusps of INFP/ISFP.

  64. Christiane Says:

    But in reading many of these comments are examples of why I completely believe in evolution. You can easily imagine many of the people creating these posts sticking out their chests and pounding on the as they write them. Explaining why they are alphas…chimpanzees have the same political structures humans do.

  65. Anonymous Says:

    Was I wrong to interpret “Alpha” as not as success in mating but success in intimidating / dominating?

    IE, ESTJ is #1 most able to get others to cower, ENTJ is probably second… then ESFJ, then ENFJ…

    ESFP is not going to generally be that high on that list (toward the middle I would think) Etc.

  66. kasjdfkdsaf Says:

    ENTPs? ROFL. they’re complete nerds. they can’t seduce for shit.

  67. Timothy Leo Ernest Crowe Says:

    False opinion. Se can never alpha over Ne in the long run. Alpha is not about the moment. Its about momentum.

  68. Anonymous Says:

    Not sure about all this. With some fuzzy logic I would say that males have generally more alpha qualities than women and that not all men can have strong alpha qualities or we would have wiped each other out. When you search for myers briggs statistics, that brings me to INTJ or ENTJ having the most alpha qualities or the most potential to have them.

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  70. knlistman Says:

    What a woman finds seductive depends on her own personality and needs, therefore you will not find one or even a cluster of Myer-Brigg type males higher in this.

    The ENTJ will want to be in charge, whether the person is male or female. The INTJ will want to be independent, no matter whether the person is male or female. The ENTJ and INTJ will not be attracted to dominant men, and dominant men will be very uncomfortable around them.

  71. Anonymous Says:

    I think it will be good for you to keep in mind that someone’s gender has no connection with their personality and it’s just the matter of wrong social stereotypes people like you hold tight to.

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